http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/comment/index BangTheTable.com - Providing the community and government with a new way to engage in public policy debate http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Jarrah said "Will the council encourage more people to live in Marrickville in order to reduce the amount or duration per household?" 2012-02-06 03:22:05 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation pvsolar said "THIS COMMENT is meant to follow Pvsolar's 1st say. Sorry MSO! But good comments MSO. Please move me... YES... apart from the typos I agree with what I said but you get it I'm sure. While I'm a fan and admire the $18M new pool we are paying for for the rest of the decade, I'm not sure it should have cost that much either. Maybe some of it is too high end for what is really a utility to the community. It's beautiful for sure but should it have had to cost $18M? Has someone gone and spent our money like there's no constraint and got a you beaut pool, yeah, but with a poor control on what's really the right value outcome for us? I reckon outdoor pools are way healthier anyway and maybe a combo of both indoor and outdoor could have been nice. And look! You've got masses of kids cramming into the hydro therapy pool and much much less use of the 50M pool. Right there!!! is evidence that whatever consultation and research was done for that $18M exercise wasn't that sharp! So I urge more attention to the Destinations 2036 approach, so we don't look back and think, what were they thinking back then when they had the chance to get this so much better." 2012-02-03 01:51:07 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation pvsolar said "I'd very much like to contribute my creative ideas and experience from 50 years living in Sydney and some years in the UK and Northern Europe. I'm very concerned at this SRV approach to raising funds for such a project as this. I feel inadequate consultation has occurred to date and that very few people know what this project is all about. You have 4 comments so far on this site and this will be the 5th yet it says preliminary public consultation is now complete? I can't even access the designs, just some conceptual pictures at macro level that tell me very little about any detail of the thinking behind use of spaces. Nothing about the car park design or traffic scheme, nothing about the heritage buildings on site and how these will be treated or reused. I'm sorry but there's no way I believe there is anywhere close to enough information available to anywhere near justify handing $23M to a project so poorly defined to us as the owners of what will be built that we don't even know enough about. I'd like to give my input on many aspects of this proposal as a professional and rate payer and most of all I'd like to help implementva really deep and comprehensive consultation along the lines I have written about to councillors this past week. I think project can be 'sold' to the community (and with a lower price tag or certainly a stronger sense of value for money) with the right approach to defining it properly based on deep and wide ranging consultation that also explores ways to make this a revenue generating project in appropriate and compatible ways that enhance the facilities and make them valuable for all of us. What is fair is that I provide this effort which will be considerable and take many months to accomplish not purely voluntarily. I would volunteer my passion and enthusiasm and creativity, and strive to make this project work as a shining example of application of Destination 2036 strategic planning and collaboration. At the moment frankly I don't see much of that iniative in action yet in a way that convinces me that I would be satisfied to ask myself or any other rate payer to agree to give this project the keys to a $30M splurge. I seriously doubt there is any library of the scale we are looking at that has cost even a third of what this project is asking for! No, for the scale and cost proposed here I think council and the community can well afford and should afford to get some sensible, questioning and innovative thinkers on board to help solve this complex issue, and to help come up with very based evidenced based, and thoroughly research consultative based designs that can then be really tested by the community through very thorough explanation of how it will work, why it will work and who, why and how they will benefit. Don't rush this through now guys. It's a tough time to be asking for such funding approval and there is very good reason I think to say 'we need to know a lot more' before we can give this a stamp of approval. Flashy architect sketches are exciting but you can build the wrong thing and never be happy with it, be disappointed and nit be able afford or get support for the cost of fixing up what more time, care and patience could have got better outcomes. It's a fabulous, once in a generation opportunity and I'd to be part of getting it right and that means fantastic valve fir the investment. I can't see that here, yet, but please let me help you get there by more and wider consutation driven by informed and creative thinking with an eye to value for all concerned. Sincerely, " 2012-02-03 01:18:36 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation MSO said "Firstly Marrickville does an average job, not exceptional. The concern I have in this particular case is primarily the project management - are they able to keep the project on time and within cost. In the commercial environment we now live in, there is no reason to except extensions to either - not including natural (environmental) catastrophies. Secondly, baseing the SRV on land valuation is unacceptable, does this mean that residents will be on a preferential sliding scale - more paid, more access? MCC are requesting $23m: Pop 23,000 (2006) x $1/wk x 52wk x 15 yr = $17.9m Bus 1000 (Estimate) x $6.70/wk x 5wk2 x 15yr = $5.2m This is already more than $23m so why would they charge anyone more than $1 Hopefully this project is not like the BER where the quotes/costs were 10-100% more due to being managed by government agencies." 2012-02-02 17:27:59 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation comengage said "Hi RL, As you mention, the current plan is that the New Library will take up only one part of the former Marrickville Hospital site, and this frees up the majority of the site for commercial and residential development (including affordable accommodation). However, this is not a complete solution for funding the New Marrickville Library. Council has conducted exhaustive economic modelling to try and recoup the costs of constructing the New Library. This included exploring potential joint projects with commercial / private developers. Council invited Expressions of Interest for the development of the site as far back as 1996. This process was discontinued for several reasons including lack of competition. Since then, feasibility studies have shown that the expected residential yield from the development of the Hospital site could never entirely pay for the New Library project without leaving the Council with no property reserves to pay for delivering other community facilities in the future. The reality is that after years and years of rate-pegging, the only way most Councils can pay for large infrastructure projects is through SRVs. Certainly it’s the only option open to Marrickville Council to pay for the New Library. It’s very important that residents like yourself let Marrickville Council know if the local community is willing to pay the temporary rate rise so as to achieve the New Library. Thank you for your feedback. " 2012-02-01 12:38:23 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation comengage said "Hi Antony, thank you for taking time to give Council your feedback. In answer to your query, the average of $1 per week relates to a property with a land value of around $340,000. Approximately 65% of properties would be impacted by $1 per week or less. The balance would pay more than $1 per week. We are currently finalising an online rates calculator that will allow you to see how the increase would impact on you. We will let you know when this is available. On a land value of $400,000 you’d pay around $1.20 per week. Again, thanks for your comments. " 2012-02-01 11:25:23 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Antony said "I agree with much of what 'Rlwaters' says. I am concerned the potential value of the site may not be realised and the additional rates will be levied as an easy option. Could someone from Council please explain where the figure of 'about $1 per week' came from? I have been told it's based on a land value of $220,000. Houses in the part of Marrickville I live in would easily have land values over $400,000. Doesn't that mean it'll be more than $2 per week? I am worried that the impact of the potential levy is being hidden, and would much prefer the scale of the levy was more transparently presented. Otherwise it's just spin. Note - A new fixed charge of more than $100 per year will have an impact on family budgets, and would be equivalent to an interest rate rise of about 0.1%. Might not sound like much, but every $ counts." 2012-01-31 11:19:09 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation australiana said "Marrickville rates are actually quite modest in relation to the large range of services and public works that the Council provides. The proposed small rate increase, that spreads the financial load over an extended period, seems eminently fair, reasonable and equitable. The new library is likely to be a hugely used and highly valued community resource. We should all get behind this visionary project and not let the small financial burden stand in the way." 2012-01-29 01:27:18 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation rlwalters said "While I'm not against an SRV, I think council should look at some other creative commercial options. You discuss selling off other land in the old hospital site which is certainly worth considering, but there are other options such as partnering with a developer to develop the new library as well as commercial buildings on the site. This sort of thing could provide additional revenue from sale or lease of buildings or space. There is great value locked up in the old hospital site which could be lost or harnessed to help council fund important infrastructure and services. While I am not pro development for its own sake, some of the better developers are very good at understanding and unlocking this sort of value. If these sort of options were carefully considered and an SRV of some size was still needed, then I would feel more supportive. Keep up the strong consultation." 2012-01-27 11:00:38 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Jetzin said "Storey book reading sessions for children and other activites to interest them in books and engage their imaginations." 2012-01-19 14:03:01 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-designs Jen said "I liked the way the Blue design had some public spaces and open space but there was no parking. The use of existing buildings is good" 2012-01-18 17:17:28 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Mike said "Reading in bed with an e-reader is quite simple and is also rapidly getting more pleasurable as screen quality improves. Some of the large hardbacks I've lugged to bed recently would have been easier to manage on a much lighter Kindle or equivalent. Being able to instantly enlarge the text is a blessing for older eyes and comes at no extra cost unlike large-print library editions." 2012-01-18 01:29:35 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library sotetno said "Yep, definitely more books (and CDs and audio and newspapers etc). I agree current collection is skimpy but hopefully a new library will give the space to increase the numbersand the proposal will also factor in money to increase the collections." 2012-01-17 19:47:46 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library sotetno said "Whilst I agree things may change over time and extending access to online books and e-books etc is great, the humble printed book is still a wonderful thing and I would love to see the collection extended with a library upgrade, not in anyway reduced. The collection at Marrickville is pretty poor compared to other "main" libraries and my main hope with a new library would simply be the space and capacity to hold more stuff in all areas (fiction, non fiction, children's, audio, CDs, DVDs, newspapers, community languages etc). Wi-fi connection at all areas of the library (and even in the parklands out front) is also important. As a parent I would love to get to the children's area without going up a lift/stairs. And I'd love to be able to scour the library catalogue and access internet whilst in the children's area keeping an eye on my kids (as they head there as soon as we walk in the door). " 2012-01-17 19:42:58 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design sotetno said "The internal design seems to sit well with me. I like the outdoor reading verandah and the amount of shelving for books seems to be OK (not great but better than Blue design). Would love a children's area that I didn't have to get to via lift/stairs but that doesn't seem to be in any of these designs. " 2012-01-17 19:14:01 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-designs sotetno said "Love the children's area in Blue design, with the outdoor garden. I like the green lawn sunken garden area in the front and l love the use of jacarandahs. Worried that too much emphasis has been put on social aspects of the library and that shelving and places for actual books is too small. I'd love the collection to be expanded from what it currently is, not have actual book space reduced. " 2012-01-17 19:05:11 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-designs josephine said "All the designs are wonderful. The visual presentation of the Green Scheme makes it look very chic and glamorous and this may impress many people. But putting that aside, I love the Blue scheme the most. It respects the heritage of Marrickville by preserving the original hospital building in an imaginative way. The spaces for children have a special, safe but exploratory quality. I could say more but thank you, Marrickville, for providing this opportunity to comment. PS: I had difficulty opening the emailed link to make this comment. It takes persistence so if anyone in the community reads this, don't give up! " 2012-01-11 11:34:44 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library asta said "I would like to see more audio-visual material. While the library has a great book collection, the film and TV collection is a bit lacking and would open up the library to new and different types of users and services! Thank-you for asking these questions of your users!" 2012-01-10 17:27:02 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library dominocb said "I totally agree with you, Rachael...More books!!" 2011-12-22 16:27:22 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design Ratty said "This design is more sympathetic to the architecture of the suburb and uses the old buildings in a better way (although I do like the sunken garden on one design). For gardens, palm trees will attract ibis so gum trees or other native should be used." 2011-12-21 12:54:55 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Mike said "Sorry I meant to say Addison Road, not Marrickville Road. I've suggested having local loop buses to the Council before, partly in response to the issue of people dumping shopping trolleys from Marrickville Metro in our parks and side streets. However there are many more reasons that people have for being mobile in urban areas that need better equipped buses and trains. People can get around London and Paris with large items without the burden of a car that Greater Sydney requires." 2011-12-16 08:23:08 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Philip Sydenham said "Is there a Community Centre on Marrickville Road? The local bus service which could accomodate pets and large luggage is an excellent idea!" 2011-12-16 07:56:06 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library fudge said "Sometimes statements are made but not adhered to, I fear that one of the smaller branches will close so they can consolidate staff and money into the bigger, newer library." 2011-12-15 15:03:01 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library fudge said "I think that as a library we need to remember that even thought there are a lot of new technological advance the humble book should not be forgotten. Book stock should not be foregone for techno devices. Invest in the future but remember that for some the simple pleasure of reading a good book in bed is something that e-readers do not accommodate. We need to be mindful that this building is going to be around a long time so there must be room to grow and expand as time moves forward, and not to the determent of the collections in the library where we diminish collections to no more than a book or two on a subject. We should remember that Marrickville has always had a large non English speaking community and we should be inviting to everyone in the community. So we need to maintain the books in languages other than English, we need to make sure that we have books in large print. Book shelves which are not to high so easy access is available to everyone and also so a clear sight line from all areas of the library are maintained. A good easy to access community information notice board for events of the community to be displayed. An area for groups to meet and conducted training or meetings with access to interactive equipment, e.g. screens, projectors, laptops. We must also try and utilise the front of the space facing Marrickville Road as one of the biggest issues is quite a few people do not even know where the library is so it needs to be on the main road visible and easily accessible to all people including those with disabilities and prams. The work areas for the staff should be a priority as well make sure that they have enough space to do what they do behind the scenes. There should be good storage, space to go if they are feeling unwell. Parking need to be addressed as well as it is already quite hard to get to parking. The parking area needs to be well lit as the library does not close till 8.30pm on week nights. Toilets , parents room with facilities for parents to feed the child, a micro wave to warm food for the child are a must. That is all for the moment. " 2011-12-13 16:12:12 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design Philip Sydenham said "Please don't be quiet. This discussion needs input from people like you and me." 2011-12-09 16:40:17 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design Aurora said "I'm a bird lover. We had a similar problem where I work, but we were able to reduce the problem with covered bins and cutting branches that are favourable for roosting. But I shall be quiet now and keep my questions to myself." 2011-12-09 16:20:36 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design Jane said "After looking at all the MPs in a little more detail now, this is the Master Plan that really does interpret all the possibilities that a library can provide the community. It sets the brief really. There are suggestions for the buildings use that I hadn’t considered, some really wonderful ideas here. The building itself responds well to the site, the surrounding buildings and out door areas. The entrance and circulation looks great, the spaces are generous and clearly articulated. The possibilities of combining the library with the council chambers is surely worth exploring. Overall there is a clear and coherent design already here that focuses on the possibilities of us as a community. Really fabulous. Has my vote. " 2011-12-09 14:14:30 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-green-design Jane said "I am less convinced of the buildings landmark presence on the street scrape. In fact it already seems dated. The library site is really only considered rather than the surrounding heritage precinct and the building design completely turns its back on this area rather than being the opportunity to link to these areas visually and physically. I disagree with the Master Plans claim of the location fo the Civic Precinct I don’t think it’s that area at all. I really dislike the main entrance being via a ramp. It completed squashes the conceptual ideas of indoor and outdoor connections. Then we enter a very over stated entrance foyer with large stair case and no lifts! Lifts are once again pushed to the rear of the building and elderly, disabled and parents with prams must use the ‘servant’s entrance’!! Surely these days are gone in modern design and equality. Also where are the toilets? Please don’t try and convince me that small cubicals shown are it! No Really, where are they? The link to the old hospital building is via a bridge and you are funnelled down to the far corner of the main library building to get here. I am not sure how I am meant to find this? Signage obviously. The design suggests the area would not be for public use but for private office space. If for the public, and even if the space were intended for quite study I don’t think this is a cleaver way of moving people to this area. Actually the whole design seems pokey, with no real thought to how some of the spaces could truely be used. It does not truely live up to the challenge of providing the people of Marrickville with a library that may service them into the future. Back to the drawing board guys. " 2011-12-09 11:28:06 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design Jane said "I think the design responds well to the street. Internally there are some wonderful spaces that respond well to their uses. I wonder about noise though, especially in the cafe, foyer and 'other use' area. Modern designs do seem to omit this essential quality in 'open area' spaces. I applaud the environmental initiatives in the building. It appears that this concept has a strong environmental focus not just to the design but the construction and later the use of the building. " 2011-12-09 10:17:19 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design Philip Sydenham said "The ibises are not entirely the council's responsibility. They are protected birds, and as such, various government and non-government agencies are responsible for their welfare. It is a compound rookery, with birds roosting and nesting at St Brigid's, the hospital and Grahame Avenue. There was a third site, in Hastings Street, which was dispersed when a dying palm tree was removed. However, this only increased the concentrations at the other three sites. A humane solution, which would save the heritage trees, would be to make a loud noise at the sites at dusk, dispersing the birds, which are not normally active after dark. The sites where the droppings fall onto grass or porous paving (such as Grahame Ave) are less offensive. So a partial solution would be to pave the library site with bricks rather than concrete. We would be a much poorer world if libraries, trees and birds could not get along." 2011-12-09 05:59:05 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design Aurora said "But it's easier to tell the Council their Ibises stink .. than it is to tell God!!" 2011-12-08 21:55:22 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design Philip Sydenham said "The ibis issue is essentially unrelated to the palm trees. If the flying foxes can be discouraged from roosting in our botanic gardens by technology, so, too, will be a solution be found for removing the ibis rookeries from a few palm trees in Marrickville. I should add, that the odour is considerably worse in the grounds of Saint Brigid's opposite the site in question. This has not discouraged a single worshipper from attendance at Mass." 2011-12-08 20:29:28 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design moimoi said "This design reaches me in a way the other two don't. It is absolutely stunning and would surely be the pride of Marrickville. There's a feeling of comfort, spaciousness and light, a real place for the community to engage with literacy, a place for children, a green area. It's beautiful!" 2011-12-08 18:15:27 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design Aurora said "It reminds me of a number of other modern libraries and along with Steel Park & the new aquatic center, will give Marrickville an edgier look/feel. However, what will be done about the palm tree and ibis problem? I hate walking past those trees. I have to hold my breath or cover my face... seriously it makes me want to heave. I can imagine all the pigeons and ibis will love their new grassland and lofts. This will just turn me right off." 2011-12-08 17:11:37 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design Philip Sydenham said "I think the palm tress are heritage listed, and therefore must remain. One design provides for their relocation on site. This and the green option retain them in situ." 2011-12-02 11:43:38 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-designs Wolf said "This design is best placed on site and with it's sunken lawn actually creates a very useable, green forecourt. The language of the existing roof taken on as a design language for the new is very beautiful. Not just another box. Best out of all 3" 2011-12-01 15:42:47 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-green-design shadylayman said "Yes ! Very impressive, encapsulates a sense of space and imagination. The "gold" design pips it at the post...... 9/10" 2011-11-30 10:26:37 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-designs shadylayman said "Old School ! The concept is trite, a more detailed assessment is necessary for me to give the thumbs up. 7/10" 2011-11-30 10:14:02 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design shadylayman said "This is a truly impressive design, 10/10 marks for FJMT. Aesthetically pleasing and definitely a structure worthy of community pride." 2011-11-30 09:56:09 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design Suewthay said "This one seems to suit our suburb the best. Just as long as there are no palm trees! It is light and inviting." 2011-11-29 17:09:50 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-green-design Philip Sydenham said "Could be a landmark building and landmark design for Marrickville. Innovative and Imaginative. Shows respect and sensitivity to both the built and living environment. Heritage and venerable trees retained in situ. Adequate spaces for immediate and future use. A building that says "Come and look inside" This design would work with the staff as well as the customers. Perhaps a second level of car-parking beneath is necessary. Needs more stack space for lesser-used materials to be stored. A creditable outcome for the people of Marrickville, who have been struggling for decades with inadequate, sub-standard library facilities." 2011-11-28 08:04:21 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-designs Philip Sydenham said "Unacceptible. Boring design, inadequate spaces Involves removal and relocation of heritage and venerable trees. Shows no respect for the site and surrounding buildings." 2011-11-28 07:48:14 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design Philip Sydenham said "Adequate. The building will be full of light. But how did the Council Chamber creep into this design?" 2011-11-28 07:43:18 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings resident said "The concept plans all have their pros and cons but it is good to see that council is going for good modern design and is not being constrained by a misguided attempt to copy the existing building styles of the old hospital site in the pursuit of perceived heritage. What is a concern however is the lack of clarity in all of the designs as to what is going to be built on the rest of the site. For example the old eight story nurses quarters on Livingstone road needs to go but to replace it with a building of the same scale would be ridiculous as the existing building dwarfs the surrounding area. Building something of that scale may have been acceptable when planning controls were not as rigid as is currently the case but to replace with an eight story residential tower would be totally unsympathetic to the site, the neighbours and the locality. What about using that site as a community garden? Also the laundry and boiler house that fronts Lilydale has been slated to be replaced by a six story residential building. Again this is totally out of scale with its surrounds and would have a significant impact on the amenity of Lilydale street. Whilst council has every right to see a financial return on its investment it should not be done by oversubscribing the site with residential towers out of scale to the local neighbourhood. Also of concern is the impact on the residents of Lilydale street. Council needs to ensure that adequate parking and pick up and drop off zones are incorporated into the master plan to prevent Lilydale street becoming a car park for the library. Marrickville Council has a once in a generation opportunity to get the development of the old hospital site right. The concept plans for the library indicate to me that they are heading in the right direction. It is what is not being said about the rest of the site that gives me cause for concern. " 2011-11-20 15:22:50 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Mike said "There's a lot of subscription services for research materials, multimedia, genealogical resources that could be served well in a local library. If you're doing ad-hoc research the cost of individual memberships is prohibitive. I'm also conscious of how rents are driving a lot of bookshops (new and used) out of business. These places have a valuable social place for social creatures who aren't satisfied with just downloading their entertainment. Even in Seattle, Jeff Bezos of Amazon was commonly seen going to great bookstores like Elliott Bay for an experience that can't be replicated online. Going to buy media (books, art, music, video) is rather different than buying clothes or food, and the loss of the "vibe" of such places is a loss to the community. The idea of the "third place" (which has been developed well in Seattle bookstores) to be not just pubs and bar, but book-oriented places is one that should be cherished by librarians. Bring authors (local or not) in to do readings - does this ever happen in Marrickville? No idea if that happens even after 20 years living there as it's certainly not promoted by the council. I would even support larger library buildings having areas for private booksellers to operate. Make them real hubs for ideas." 2011-11-18 00:07:16 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Mike said "This seems more like something that could be handled by the Community Centre on Marrickville Road, either by providing tools-on-loan or rooms in which sewing machines are available. The only problem of course is distribution across a suburb as huge as Marrickville. If the council provided its own local-loop bus services it would help with people trying to get around and do things that don't involve buses built only for humans. Having spent a lot of time in Europe where people have urban transport systems that allow them to get around with their pets (even to get them to the vets), large shopping items (or moving a lawn mower) without a personal vehicle I have a lot of sympathy for this. Sydney's transport is built for simple commutes, not for supporting all the reasons that people are mobile." 2011-11-17 23:57:54 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Mike said "For many older readers, having e-readers is a better solution that stocking large-print editions as you can adjust the print size on *any* title. The prices on these are falling even faster than for technologies like calculators, digital cameras etc and will be nearly give-away items before long. It may be more practical & cost-effective for the library to subsidise/loan such devices than to manage physical stock in duplicate editions. " 2011-11-17 23:51:28 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Philip Sydenham said "There seems to be a great deal of concern that the construction of a new library will result in the closure of the existing branch libraries. This fear should be alleviated by a statement that no libraries will close as a result of this development. Consideration should also be given to limited service "Library Link" services, such as the City of Sydney conducts at Town Hall and Pyrmont. In the Marrickville LGA, such links for the return of borrowed items, and collection of pre-booked materials, with full access to the catalogues (and maybe ebooks) would be appropriate in Petersham and at Steele Park. Perhaps also at the secondary schools?" 2011-11-17 19:50:27 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library australiana said "Just make it great. Frankly, the experience and knowledge of most people is too limited to come up with really good design ideas. Instead of giving people what they think they might want surprise them with a truly wonderful knowledge and learning space that they will use in ways they hadn't even thought of before the library was built." 2011-11-17 19:06:48 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries australiana said "Just make it great. Frankly, the experience and knowledge of most people is too limited to come up with really good design ideas. Instead of giving people what they think they might want surprise them with a truly wonderful knowledge and learning space that they will use in ways they hadn't even thought of before the library was built." 2011-11-17 19:03:44 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library sioux said "Libraries should contain books. There is also room for Compact Disks, both music and talking books. The present system whereby one can borrow CDs of Greek music, for example, should not be stopped. Catering for our multicultural community benefits us all. A wide range of films on DVD is also appropriate. Some French films would be appreciated. The role of the local historian in the library remains important. The access to data bases from home is appreciated but could be extended further, especially in English and Australian literature (as opposed to that of the US). The ability to borrow audio books on line from home is an excellent service and cannot take up too much physical space but please extend this to Mac users. DO NOT CLOSE DOWN THE BRANCH LIBRARIES." 2011-10-26 13:52:35 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/article/guest-book5 Jemima said "In the new library I would like to see a dedicated area for local history where sufficient room for information from the past and also into the future can be kept. For instance I understand that the Marrickville Heritage Society needs storage room. I consider this to be a priority and would like to see this provided for without charge. " 2011-10-25 16:43:06 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library beej said "I would like to see a toy library similar to Randwick library. Children should be able to interact with the library in a number of different ways to foster a lifelong relationship with it." 2011-10-24 09:37:27 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Philip Sydenham said "Thank you BVP for your positive feedback on my post. You've hit it right with your comment "on the broader site". Council could build a facility with rentable spaces for the private sector and NGOs to provide the ancilliary services. Surry Hills branch of the City of Sydney Library, and Fountain Gate Library on the outskirts of Melbourne are examples. (By the way it's not "Philip of Sydenham" that makes me sound like a crusader. Sydenham is my surname.)" 2011-10-20 20:11:52 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Lyn said "1. A local studies museum, well-equipped with display cases. 2. A separate reference area with hard copy of key works such as the OED. 3. A wide-ranging fiction collection, including CLASSICS. Some readers want traditional material in addition to the latest Booker finalists. " 2011-10-10 18:36:40 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings gumnut said "Heritage is importent to local people who have grown up in the LGA , so why not have heritage kept on the outside of the building & modernisation on the inside & keep everybody happy. (It seems some people are obsessed with coffee shops). Have plants & outdoor green space for sure." 2011-10-10 12:36:20 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library BVP said "There are clearly many needs, new trends and desirable possibilities to be catered for, so the space available does need to be significantly larger overall. For example, planning for e-books and Wi-Fi is a must, while silent study spaces are highly desirable and so is a less buttoned down youth area. Planning to make the new design forward-thinking, adaptable, bright, modern and inclusive is critical, so there’s no sense of “fusty old library” at all. By all means look at the Melbourne one for ideas as suggested, and others too, as there are some wonderful local libraries up and running now. Also, Philip of Sydenham is right on the mark with most of his points, although I don’t think that tools and equipment, a gym and newsagent belong, although they could be on the broader site. On that point, while ideas like the café, child minding and meeting rooms should definitely be incorporated, can these at the same time be shared with a broader take on development for the whole site, not just the library component? The elephant in the room here is how much can be afforded, what money is available? A possibility I guess, is to try for it all in a grand design, study the price tag & then revise the plan see if the same things can be done less expensively to match the probably much more modest funding. " 2011-10-02 15:47:47 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/article/guest-book5 Carlo said "I think council and the marrickville community should accept much higher residential densities in their LGA. It is well serviced and convenient. We all have an obligation to our future generations not just for the supply of housing, but affordable housing." 2011-09-30 11:12:20 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library ssharwood said "A bus stop outside the library door - preferably for more than one route. And/or a bus connecting the two train lines in the district and stopping outside the library. Lots of secure bike parking. E-books to borrow. Meeting rooms for community organisations, available until late evening." 2011-09-26 19:44:31 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/article/guest-book5 Newtownian said ""Saturday morning is a time when people bring their dogs to the park and let them run everywhere." Oh dear! It seems that Pidgy has got his/her wish and Marrickville Council have decided to more aggressively police off lease times in Camperdown Memorial Rest Park. A number of dog owners have been issued fines recently by rangers that have not been in uniform and employed devious tactics to identify the dogs and owners. Apart from reacting to the tiresome complaints (assertions of rights no less) of people who will always be anti-dog, it is difficult to judge why the council sees fit to intervene at this point. CMR Park is one of the most convivial spaces in Sydney where dogs happily mix with people and vice versa. One need only take a look at the wonderful scenes of neighborliness that occur everyday as dogs and owners gather to catch up on the day and pooches get some freedom after being locked in small inner city yards all day. For half the year, when the sun sets early, the anti-dog types would prefer this happened only after dark or in the comparatively tawdry O'Dea Reserve. Enforcing the anti-dog by laws seems to me much less of a priority than focussing on some of the more anti-social behaviour on the part of humans that occurs in the park from time to time. I've never seen a dog or dog owner drink themselves into oblivion in the park and leave their rubbish strewn about. In fact, given the use it gets, the park is remarkably free of dog poo. Maybe both Pidgy and Marrickville Council should live and let live a little. And if a dog comes up to you wagging it's tail it's just saying hello." 2011-09-18 01:08:41 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library AJS said "I like to see a section on the history of Marrickville and some suburbs around Marrickville." 2011-09-14 16:55:24 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/how-should-we-honour-the-local-aboriginal-people-and-migrants-that-have-made-marrickville-what-it-is-today comengage said "Hi Rachael This is certainly not the only forum that Council is using - we are talking to a number of Aboriginal groups and individuals, and have started this process now to make sure there is sufficient time for a number of perspectives to be heard. We are getting really good information about what local Aboriginal people would like to see and how their history and current day culture should be reflected in the new library. If there are any groups or individuals you think we should be particularly talking to I'd be happy to get the feedback. My email is comengage@marrickville.nsw.gov.au Cheers" 2011-09-14 14:12:03 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Class 3CM said "We would love to see a mini cafe, playstation 3, wifi, comfy seats and a kids area." 2011-09-14 11:00:16 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/how-should-we-honour-the-local-aboriginal-people-and-migrants-that-have-made-marrickville-what-it-is-today Class 3CM said "We think there should be a section in the library that specifically celebrates our Aboriginal history. How about a area that contains books, videos, DVDs, photographs, artefacts etc that acknowledges our local history of our community." 2011-09-14 10:57:43 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/how-should-we-honour-the-local-aboriginal-people-and-migrants-that-have-made-marrickville-what-it-is-today Rachael said "It annoys me that this question is even here. The answer is simple. Talk to them and ask them. Why ask the entire population of the area with all the racism and bias that exists. These are the first people. Get out there and communicate. Talk talk and more talk. Not just a special elite group. Get out into the community - talk to groups of Aboriginal teenagers, aboriginal children, aboriginal seniors, young parents, Aboriginal professionals - EVERYONE. This Council is not very good (despite the fact they think they are) at consultation with Australian Aboriginal people (they prefer to deal with CALD and don't understand the significance of first people). I would even say employ a team of Aboriginal Australians to get out there and do this consultation properly. I bet you 1 million dollars this has not happened. It will be "same old same old" and ask a select little group that may not be at all representative. It is just a joke every time and never done properly." 2011-09-13 07:56:44 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries Rachael said "It may sound strange but please retain books. Actually I should say improve what is a very meagre situation. A generation of students have been left floundering compared to other areas where collections are decent. It is very important to have books in community languages, however, children are educated primarily in English and this is where the bulk of book funding should go. I tend to feel electronic media should be able to deal with the bulk of CALD needs. It is not really doing anyone any good to take from Peter tom pay Paul - there needs to be a very clear rationale as to how the multicultural nature of Marrickville is accommodated within library services and at the end of the day, I think we need to consider the language residents are educated in as the first equal priority. Second equal priority are the Australian Aboriginal people and how they would like to be catered for within this new library. Please remember the rest of our wonderfully diverse population come from parts of the world where they are catered for well. Most can log onto a computer (be it at the library) to get resources in their own language. We tend to overstep and then grow expectations for migrants and refugee populations. I have friends from CALD backgrounds and they have no trouble accessing their own material online - they laugh about our local attempts and say - "Why do they do this when we can get what we want any way". So please put this in perspective and don't ruin the library needs of another generation of Marrickville children because we are focusing on a perceived rather than a real need." 2011-09-13 07:49:07 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Rachael said "I would really like to see an excellent book collection. I also want up to date electronic media, however it would be a tragedy to replace books with media rather than extend overall capacity. The current collection is skimpy by the standards of other libraries and this is a great sadness for book lovers of the area. " 2011-09-13 07:34:11 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Rosebud said "Marrickville is seeing more and more families in the area, so PLEASE, Please !, provide a decent parent room like they have at Westfields shopping centres. The library needs to be accessable to families and that includes breast feeding mums with babies and toddlers. Its really disgusting that in so many places, breast feeding is expected to take place in the toilets (and what are you supposed to do with your toddler while breast feeding in the toilet ???) All public infrastructure like libraries should be child and family friendly so please include an appropriate parent room ie breast feeding cubicles, enclosed play space with play equipment, child and parent toilet and change tables. thanks" 2011-09-09 18:37:35 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Philip Sydenham said "It's not very long ago that municipalities with adequate libraries refused membership to residents of neighbouring municipalities who had inadequate provision. I don't think we want to return to that scenario." 2011-09-09 18:26:58 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Philip Sydenham said "I'm sorry, I thought this was supposed to be a discussion, I don't wish to argue. But I think we should all think outside the box on this issue. Fitzroy City Library's tool library possibly did not survive the Kennett years. It's City Council certainly didn't. I remember no storytimes at my public library 50 years ago, but I do remember my Mother (a municipal councillor at the time) coming home in tears after debating the issue at Town Hall. A library should be build with sufficient provision to store all its materials. " 2011-09-09 18:23:34 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Skweekah said "Yeah Phil. This charge is ludicrous. What next, charging for membership? Charging for 'free' wifi? Charging to use a word processor?" 2011-09-09 12:57:25 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Trish said "Sorry, I don't think it's an 'out there' idea. Council libraries are already struggling for funds, they don't need to be buying equipment so that people can sew their trousers or dig up their gardens. I'm not sure what Fitzroy library you are talking about, because the Fitzory City library in Melbourne does not lend tools. Also, I remember storytime at my library forty years ago, so I'm not sure what you mean when libraries treated storytime for children with derision. Just out of curiosity, where would a library store all this equipment?" 2011-09-09 12:51:57 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Philip Sydenham said ""Maybe the term 'library' will disappear?" I blooming well hope not! Look at any daily newspaper. The word "library" is currently in constant use more frequently than ever before. One thing it no longer means is "a dusty repository of books, guarded by frowsty middle-aged ladies wearing sensible shoes". !" 2011-09-09 11:57:54 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Philip Sydenham said "Hardly novel. It's a mainstream way in many places." 2011-09-09 11:50:39 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Philip Sydenham said "We have the opportunity to fulfill a vision. The site is ideal to enhance a streetscape already graced with two listed Churches, the town hall, fire station and other landmark buildings. To embed an innovative space for learning, engagement and connection in this milieu is something not to undertaken lightly. I'm particularly appreciative of your comment: "This is an important opportunity for Marrickville to be a leader in bringing back the Library as a space where the community wants to use it and enjoy it." We can all be proud of our municipality, but its library service up until now has been inadequate, to make the best of it. The basement of the town hall, and a few recycled buildings as branch libraries is not enough. Canterbury council provides a much better service with the basement of a shopping mall, and a few purpose-built branches. But Marrickville can do much better, and deserves much better. The oldest free public lending library in the world, Innerpefferay (Scotland) began with a few used Bibles and prayerbooks, but was soon lending sewing needles, cauldrons and spectacles. The thing is to assess the community need, anticipate the future need, and make flexible provision for both." 2011-09-09 11:46:19 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Philip Sydenham said "The old, Illawarra Rd, Town Hall is no longer council property. The plans are, I believe, for a Greek community Centre" 2011-09-09 11:24:16 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Philip Sydenham said "Thank you Skweekah. I was faced with a $15 fee for an ILL from the library of a neighbouring municipality just this week. I am fortunate to be able to just go to the neighbouring library, join, and reserve the item for $1.50. However, many elders and disabled persons do not have that option." 2011-09-09 11:22:20 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Philip Sydenham said "There are many of us who have not the means to get to Bunnings. (Have you ever tried to get a lawn mower onto a bus?) (Have you ever tried to hire a sewing machine for a two-hour job in the afternoon?) The great library visionary and organiser, Melville Dewey, allowed for "realia" in his classification system, with subject entries like garden tools, butter churns, lighting and household ornaments. I agree that it's a pretty "out there" idea. It was, however, pioneered in Australia by the Fitzroy City Library in Melbourne, with very great success. A reasonable fee was charged (waived for pensioners), and a refundable deposit or surrender of your library card was neccessary. I cannot see that Marrickville library should not be a pioneer of new ideas. I can remember when storytimes for children were treated with derision: "It's a library, not a kindergarten!!"" 2011-09-09 11:17:47 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Trish said "What do you mean library of tools (lawn mowers, electrical drills, floor polishers) It's a library, not bunnings hire centre!!" 2011-09-08 17:33:56 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/how-should-we-honour-the-local-aboriginal-people-and-migrants-that-have-made-marrickville-what-it-is-today Trish said "After school care is not appropriate for libraries, one, the staff are not trained child care workers, and two, leaving children in the library as young as three, and yes some parents have the nerve to do this, is a disaster for staff and patrons. It's a library where people want to relax, read, study, etc, not listen to poor little children crying for one of their parents. No, this is just another way for parents to leave their children who some can be very young in order for them to go shopping or whatever. You may say that people would never leave a todler behind, well they do and I have experienced this first hand. A three year old crying for his mother for over an hour. The mother finally came back from a bit of shopping and was not too concerned because she thought her child would be safe in the library!! No, this is a bad idea. If you want after school care, go to where they provide after school care, not the library." 2011-09-08 17:24:52 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings Viva La Marrickville said "I agree with the person who said we should not be straight-jacketed by heritage. Altho it needs to be in sympatico with the environment and I like the idea of some mirroring with St Brigids. Something about the space in the front and the lead up into the library, maximising that green space, outdoor learning and studying spaces, the sensory trail etc. Inside lots of natural light, teaming through. Innovative sensitive sustainable design. Something of a spire with the Aboriginal flag on top." 2011-09-08 16:56:44 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Viva La Marrickville said "Interactive spaces, not just technology and books, but interactive spaces for community. A baby space that eg. includes Baby Rhyme time. A Youth Space - we know the library is popular with kids from the African continent, and since often their parents dont have reading and writing literacy, its really important that these kids be in this space. An Aboriginal Space, that develops some sense of ownership by Aboriginal communities in Marrickville. It can tell the stories but also be a meeting place. Its not so long ago that this very space was used by IWACC. " 2011-09-08 16:42:02 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Skweekah said "I agree with Reduction in fees for inter-library loans. What on earth are they thinking??? ATTN GM! Lower or remove this fee!!! You will not make any money doing this as the service will cease to be used! It is common sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" 2011-09-08 10:52:31 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Skweekah said "A nice looking building, not some monstrosity. Marrickville has so much potential. Just like Surry Hills, Paddington, Newtown. Marrickville has all of the building blocks of a fantastic suburb. This new library should reflect this. Make this a place that's more akin with a community centre than a library. The Surry Hills library is a good example. Let's do this right the first time! Books, Internet access,, computer facilities, meeting rooms, authors talks, seminars. One other thing, slightly off topic, but important none the less. The the library manager, your new interlibrary loan charges are ludicrous! What were you thinking!!! Im sure youre now making millions. You have the staff, offer the service. It's not all about money! Silly, silly decision......." 2011-09-08 10:37:20 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries Thornhill said "I'm just appalled at some of the things people are asking for in the library. Surely the views of the people interviewed for 'Marrickville Matters' weren't taken seriously...? A grandmother who wants a garden and a free nursery, a student who wants "a study area with desks and a reading room with sofas" (isn't that called "home"?), a "study room for youth to hang around"... Going through some of the views on-line, I had to stop when I came to the man who wants electrical goods for hire, including lawn-mowers!! Are people serious? Your local library as a lawn-mower hire-centre?!? For godsake, it's a LIBRARY! Leave it alone." 2011-09-04 19:43:30 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries Jodan said "Library needs to be accessible to students who dont have space to study. Break-out rooms for small groups when students working together.Online booking system for rooms so you can see availability. Free wifi.Audio-books and associated technology for hire for vision-impaired.TTY for people with hearing difficulties,work with Nat relay Service.Survey 2RPH and Koori Radio for feedback.Community bus services for transport to library.Community noticeboard and central community services brochures area.Bulletin board for people to give feedback and ideas about library & resources e.g. new book for library to obtain.Link in with local book clubs.Hold Book Club events at all libraries with book reviews from members available online.Celebrate library Volunteers on International Vol Day-plant a tree or shrub or place a plaque on a seat for Vol of the Year.Build a Welcome Wall which locals can contribute to and have associated resources available in library e.g. copies of ship manifests for names of people on boats from overseas to Australia. " 2011-09-04 10:22:59 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/how-should-we-honour-the-local-aboriginal-people-and-migrants-that-have-made-marrickville-what-it-is-today Jodan said "Ask people from local Aboriginal and migrant communities,ask the local community services working with local communities. Ask local schools to contribute. Interview long-term residents, business people etc. According to Richard Cashman/Chrys Meader's book Marrickville Rural Outpost to Inner City, in 1896 relics from Aboriginal settlement c 5000 BC were discovered.Use this type of knowledge, and timeline, to build a picture of the contributions Aboriginal people and migrants have made in Marrickville. Perhaps the relics can be replicated as part of a standing exhibition. Ensure the honouring is authentic and alive by asking Aboriginal elders, and migrants, who came to live in Marrickville to share their experiences through oral history projects and local talks at the library. Develop long-term resources such as documentaries on early migrants and their gardens.Take photos of what is here today as that will be the history of tomorrow, plant an avenue of trees along Marrickville Road." 2011-09-04 10:03:02 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings Jodan said "New library should be modern but welcoming, not only hard glass walls you have to peer into to see if you are allowed in. The inside/outside areas should blend together on a human scale.Locate the cafe in the heritage buildings and ensure their use by housing local community groups offering essential information and providing spaces for community groups to work and run workshops. Local competition for water features/garden sculptures-keep it local! Sensory garden for vision-impaired, braille signs,path for wheelchairs.Council could locate native nursery there-hold info sessions on native/preferred plantings,local history and eco-walks with reference to library resources." 2011-09-04 09:40:51 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Jodan said "New library could have permanent exhibit showing Marrickville's changes through time. The children's book, My Place, by Nadia Wheatly/Donna Rawlins used this idea to great effect. Survey Book clubs, mobile library users,current library membership and on-site users, local schools-staff and pupils, for views on what they like/dislike at the current library & what they would like the new library to include. Current non-profit tenants to be re-housed and included in plans for future site use as they contribute positively to local community.The new Library should be an inviting and welcoming space offering a range of spaces for individuals,groups and community to enjoy." 2011-09-04 09:19:38 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library leonie said "Lots of great ideas in the discussion. The more diverse the library services and the more accessible the space, the more it will connect the community. I would like to see the concept of 'borrowing' extended as far as possible - tools, cars, bikes, prams, camping equipment, sports and play equipment, toys, party and catering supplies, roof racks, computers, printers, scanners, video cameras.... There is so much stuff that we have just in case or use only occasionally. Utilizing an item to its' capacity is a much better use of the energy that has gone into producing, packaging, transporting and eventually disposing of it. The notion of shared responsibility and shared ownership will be increasingly important in creating sustainable communities. We don’t all need a spare room or a garage to keep all our stuff in. We can maintain our lifestyles with access to that stuff which we want or need rather than ownership. We may even enhance our lifestyle by forming relationships where we share interests and skills as well as things. Obviously there are practical and budget restrictions to maintaining collections of various items but certainly a library could be a central point for co-ops, non-profit hire enterprises, paid membership and user pays systems. We would still all be a lot better off financially, socially and environmentally. " 2011-09-02 14:22:12 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings comengage said "If anyone's interested - I've put up a short video about the Surry Hills Library you can have a look at." 2011-09-02 13:59:17 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/how-should-we-honour-the-local-aboriginal-people-and-migrants-that-have-made-marrickville-what-it-is-today awsome ikik said "i think there could bea after school care" 2011-08-31 19:17:00 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Rg6459 said "I think the new library should have a rug,chairs and tables,lots of Andy grifths books,and a mini cafe. " 2011-08-31 16:19:50 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Caine said "I would like to see the new library be a space for learning, connecting, and further social community engagement. Be creative and be futuristic in your planning. A space for people to be social and connected without the need for a dead silent library would be useful. The internet and electronic mediums are becoming more and more the preference of much of the community. I agree with the comments about Free, Fast Wi-Fi. I think a space for young children to interact with a book (electronic talking books) and maybe be read stories would be a great. This is an important opportunity for Marrickville to be a leader in bringing back the Library as a space where the community wants to use it and enjoy it. " 2011-08-31 13:19:32 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library chris said "Childrens area, computers, lounges, childrens computers, storytime daily, crafts for kids, school holiday activities for preschoolers" 2011-08-31 12:56:03 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/article/guest-book5 pidgy said "I would like more control of dogs in the local parks. People completely ignore the off-leash restrictions, especially in Camperdown Memorial Rest Park. There are signs saying dogs may be off-leash between certain times and between certain hours, but the signs need to be renewed (and displayed more prominently) as the relevant off-leash area has changed a little since the park renovations a few years ago. Saturday morning is a time when people bring their dogs to the park and let them run everywhere. This annoys me but I don't want to be policeman. I don't want people telling me 'He won't hurt you' or abusing me because I ask them to stop their dogs running up to me. According to the by-laws I'm entitled to go about the park on a Saturday after 9am and before 5pm without dogs annoying me, but it's hard to insist on my rights without causing bad feelings." 2011-08-31 12:24:37 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings kt1800 said "Coffee is a great idea with an outdoor area / community garden. I think there is no point "mocking" the past. I love the surry hills library. It's clean and modern and I believe quite green too. It's a great addition to that area in surry hills, and it doesn't copy the older buildings around it. It would be nice to see a building in marrickville that is a bit different or experimental in it's design. " 2011-08-31 11:10:23 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library kt1800 said "I'd love to see some quieter work areas too. I work from home, and sometimes I like to just work in a different environment. I've been to the Marrickville library before but there is nowhere really to sit and do some quiet work or study. The idea of downloadable books is also great - for an ipad or a kindle. " 2011-08-31 11:06:48 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/article/guest-book5 gracie said "toilots" 2011-08-30 18:01:47 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/article/guest-book5 gracie said "computer lab" 2011-08-30 18:01:14 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/article/guest-book5 gracie said "bean bags" 2011-08-30 18:00:13 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/article/guest-book5 gracie said "browsing area for babys toddlers kids teenagers and adults" 2011-08-30 17:59:31 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/article/guest-book5 Locallocke said "Development of an incubation centre for small start-up businesses. Energy efficient, environmentally sound, and inspiring office/meeting spaces available for nominal fees to small businesses around the area trying to get established. In lieu of high commercial fees they can somehow contra services back into the community to achieve mutual benefits to all." 2011-08-29 17:51:26 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Locallocke said "Apart from ensuring the not for profits already using this area are suitably rehouses (and perhaps others can join them), I'd like to see some of the space, or area not yet used that is part of the facility, dedicated to incubators environments for local businesses. Am thinking very environmentally sound, funky, affordable (less than commercial) office and meeting facilities to help small businesses get established, so they can ultimately contribute back to the community in some commercial way." 2011-08-29 17:44:36 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings australiana said "Council should be seeking the most innovative and imaginative design possible and not be straitjacketed by the preoccupation with 'heritage'. The Opera House thankfully paid no attention to heritage and everyone is thankful for that. While the new Library will not have the monument status of that building it nevertheless should be confidently part of the contemporary era and not a 'heritage' pastiche." 2011-08-26 20:32:53 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library comengage said "Oops sorry - my mistake!" 2011-08-26 17:37:17 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Beck* said "Thanks for that....but ummm....my comment was about The Old Town Hall in Illawarra Rd....the original Town Hall. I don't expect any plans for the old Library for a long time to come!!! That would be a touch demanding at this point in time! " 2011-08-26 14:13:35 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/how-should-we-honour-the-local-aboriginal-people-and-migrants-that-have-made-marrickville-what-it-is-today comengage said "Council is hosting two working groups at the moment that are looking at Aboriginal history and the overall migration history in Marrickville - how it has shaped the area and the community - and how it can be best represented / celebrated within the new library. Looking foward to seeing what comes from these discussions." 2011-08-26 12:34:53 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library comengage said "Thanks Mniko The library looks really interesting - thanks for the link. Our library staff have been fantastic and have done a lot to contribute ideas and thoughts about current and future needs for the community. I totally agree that it all works together - good design, job satisfaction, good service etc." 2011-08-26 12:31:15 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library comengage said "Hi, No decisions have been made yet about the old library site. Once we have received feedback from our community and have a good idea of what services will be transferring to the new library, then we'll look at the old library and make some decisions about what the community and Council would like to see in the old library building. cheers" 2011-08-26 12:27:18 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library mniko said "As I librarian myself, I would highly recommend designers/council staff see the high level/cutting edge services offered by the Library of Melbourne Library, www.melbournelibraryservice.com.au Like many suggestion offered on this forum they offer a variety of space options from small individual semi open rooms/study (1/2 glassed non closing door) to large conference room projectors/kitchenette etc to multi playstation/wii Nintendo games area... they offer full self service for borrowing. Self service kiosks allowing you to borrow, renew and even pay library fines. They visitor and borrowing numbers have increased over time,,, just checking their website just now they even offer Freegal Download and keep up to three Sony Music tracks in the MP3 format each week. The sense of space and light, comfy furniture, areas for serious, quite study and areas for socialising - Most of all the staff needs should also be considered... as they need ownership to make the place work... I find it challenging/professionally embarrassing at times in my dealing with staff. I keep putting it down to working in obvious crap, dingy conditions...at the end of the day its the people that make a place no matter the design. " 2011-08-25 20:31:05 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/how-should-we-honour-the-local-aboriginal-people-and-migrants-that-have-made-marrickville-what-it-is-today Philip Sydenham said "I agree very strongly with you. Those annual cultural celebrations are very important, and must be facilitated. I'd add: The italian religious festivals at Easter Something for the Lebanese Something for the Tongans and other Islanders How about the Irish, the Scots, The Thai and Vietnamese The roll call could go on forever" 2011-08-25 11:52:24 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Beck* said "I'd really like to see a museum/heritage space for exhibitions. I'm NOT saying the council needs to incorporate a museum and collection within the library....I'd like to see a proper museum developed in the future.....hmmmm I thought I heard that's what the old Town Hall was supposed to be?? What is going on in there??? Big fence, no access???? Anyways, I'd like to see space for historical displays that could tell the story of M'ville based on research done locally and perhaps even the odd travelling exhibition that places like Leichhardt have incorporated from time to time. I saw a great one about milk bars and old cafes some time back over there. Council has enough council run galleries and art spaces....we need more of the other type of exhibition.....please. And then we can get to a proper museum space when you get this project done and dusted! :)" 2011-08-25 11:47:59 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries Beck* said "I love art and have studied art, but I feel there are enough council run galleries in Marrickville. I would rather see a museum/heritage space in the new library or somewhere in M'ville. There is no where to stage historical exhibitions.....and I have a tonne of ideas of what they could be about!! More and more libraries and museums are coming together in a process being called Convergence....see Albury's new library/museum complex. I'd love to see the kids activities be kept up and developed. We may be an ageing population, but M'ville is booming with families. Oh and some clean toilets would be really really lovely. Despite it all, looking forward to seeing the end result." 2011-08-25 11:40:19 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries comengage said "An underground car park is being planned, with access directly into the library and/or forecourt. Due to increasing demand for more sustainable forms of transport - bike racks will also be a feature. Cheers" 2011-08-25 08:20:59 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries comengage said "Council is actually planning an increase in the number of books available, based on current demand and future projected demand. At the same time there will be a greater emphasis on e-books to allow a greater diversity of titles for people to download. More for everyone." 2011-08-25 08:19:22 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries Literate Perhaps said "Car parking. Could we have an underground car park. Using public transport for the library is problematic as books are heavy to carry to and from library. Bikes are ok or those physically capable of riding a bike and or those willing to risk life and limb. I need to drive if I am to use the library as I wish. So a decent car park ould be marvelous, with a lift up to the library" 2011-08-24 21:38:35 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings Literate Perhaps said "Let's be proud of our own era. Why copy from previous times? Celebrate modern architecture. I would love to see an ultra modern building - something totally unique." 2011-08-24 21:34:06 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries Literate Perhaps said "Even in this computer age please let us have books. I have heard the library wants to drastically reduce books available to public in favour of computer generated reduces. Please don't make this mistake." 2011-08-24 21:28:11 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/article/guest-book5 Literate Perhaps said "The lack of public toilets in our shopping strips" 2011-08-24 21:22:43 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/how-should-we-honour-the-local-aboriginal-people-and-migrants-that-have-made-marrickville-what-it-is-today library said "I think it's exciting that you are even asking this quetion! Aboriginal designs/artworks Photographic history or audio visual dispalys that can bed used to commemorate or celebrate significant cultural events, eg: displays/installations during NAIDOC week, for Greek Independence Day, Chinese New Year - each one celebrating the contribution of those communities to Marrickville Whatever is done should attempt to celebrate the cultural richness of the area" 2011-08-24 20:37:48 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings library said "Heritage bit nice but not at the expense of access and creating a useable, functional facility" 2011-08-24 20:31:23 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries library said "Internet facilities Physically accessible facilities Art exhibitions Relevant community activities & talks to attract lots of the community to gather (eg: the multilingual talks currently organised at Marrickville Library are brilliant!) Environmentally sensitive design A beautiful, welcoming outdoor pavilion with fabulous cafe facing a beautiful green space, hopefully with a water feature, shaded outdoor areas A community space that welcomes ALL members of te community, young & old, that is safe, well designed (good lighting, clean etc) Ample space & potential to allow expansion & changing needs & developing technologies into the future" 2011-08-24 20:30:15 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library library said "Spacious design - lots of quiet spaces to sit and read Easy access to all elements of the library collection (books, DVDs periodicals etc) Flexible large & small meeting / group rooms, including large auditorium available for community meetings, workshops etc Activities & services which attract & engage all ages (children, adolescents, adults & the elderly) and indiiduals and groups within the commnity (Aboriginal community members, CALD community, young & old) " 2011-08-24 20:22:15 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings Philip Sydenham said "The site has a distinct historic flavour, and sits in a heritage precinct, So the new library should reflect the heritage values, without either slavishly copying them, or making a jarring contrast. Of significance it the Church opposite, and the remaining hospital buildings. Respect also should be given to the mature trees on site. There should be a significant retention of openspace/greenspace. Architectural recognition of our sister cities would be a nice idea. Recycle materials from the buildings to be demolished." 2011-08-24 18:38:12 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Philip Sydenham said "More, much more, of what's already established. Flexibility and space to allow for future needs and developments in technology. More stack space for books not currently in high demand, to avoid the current neccessity to discard rapidly. Historical/Local collection to be housed more appropriately. Reference collection given a dedicated space. Community meeting rooms. Space for quiet reading/study. Meditation space. More car parking, bike bays. Close access to child minding, gym, coffee lounge, bookshop, newsagent. Library of tools and equipment (lawn mowers, electric drills, floor polishers, etc.) Much larger collection of AV and IT materials. Comprehensive collection of car manuals. Interstate and international daily newspapers - maybe on line, but easily accessed by the technologically ignorant. Staff in a trendy, recognisable uniform. Lockers for your belongings if you want to spend time without lugging your shopping around. Increased accessibility for the disabled - wider aisles, wheelchair friendly desks, no books shelved below knee-height. Decent lighting. Buildings that are filled with light. Accessible, wheelchair-friendly toilets/washrooms. Baby changing and nursing room. More readers' advisors on duty at desk and roaming. Storytelling for and by older adults. More attention to gaps in the collection. Stock editing should be pro-active, not re-active. Adult literacy collection. Maintenance, development and extension of the branch library network. Why is there no library in Petersham? Reduction in fees for inter-library loans. Larger, more diverse collections of materials in languages other than English. Retention/purchase of classic materials, especially classic fiction." 2011-08-24 18:29:22 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries Trish said "Good access, shelves that are not too high and not too low. Think of senior citizens, they are probably big users of the library and if they find it hard to access the shelves it will become very frustrating for them. Quiet areas!! The library is still an area where people want quiet when reading or studying, please make sure the childrens' library is located away from the reading or study areas. Visit Waverley Library between 4-6pm and you will understand what i'm talking about!! Free WIFI and smart seats with power sockets with only enough desk space for only laptops, iphones or ipads. Courses on how to use new technology such as, audio books, ebooks. Courses on using the internet (particularly for senior citizens) Library card becomes also a smart card for printing/photocopying, etc. " 2011-08-24 17:23:52 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings Trish said "I'm assuming the building is going to be a modern structure, therefore keep with the modern theme. I would like to see a smart and contemporary building, with nice green areas to sit and enjoy. I would also like to see some sort of cafe outside the library. " 2011-08-24 16:42:44 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Trish said "I think it's great to have activities for children and spaces for talks but I think it's still very important that the library is able to provide quiet areas where students of all ages and other patrons are able to study/research in a quiet area. I hope this is reflected in the library plans." 2011-08-24 16:12:13 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings Bookworm said "What about a small community garden area outside the library? Maybe a 'green' area as well where on sunny days, story time could be held outside. Special activities could be organised for the green area like gardening demonstrations (for little ones too, not just adults!), worm farm workshops etc. Maybe painting classes could be held outside? Near a lovely new library cafe (with french doors that open onto it?) as well!" 2011-08-24 10:54:18 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries Marrick said "A connected library......hi-tech with access to video conferencing capabilities! Flexibility for future innovation!" 2011-08-24 08:37:18 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings Marrick said "Outdoor reading/meeting/presentation/performance spaces within sensory gardens would be brilliant. Seasonal scents from plants, visual aspects such as sculpures, installations and differing plant structures as well as sounds created from plants, water and installations. Voila! Modern design for sure...why attempt to replicate the past?" 2011-08-24 08:32:54 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Mr DM said "Free fast Wifi. (802.11n/5GHz & 802.11g/2.4GHz)" 2011-08-23 21:39:05 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Mr DM said "I'd really like a study / research space that's designed for quiet concentration and more isolated from the general open space. Most people have computers at home, but the library is a place I go to hide and get away from distractions (e.g. when preparing for an exam or cramming a tough assignment). I don't think most people would want an entire silent library - but I think having a least one silent space is essential for a good library." 2011-08-23 21:26:09 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Max said "With iPads and kindles etc, the future of the book is changing. The ability to access library subscriptions and download articles or books should be looked into. Less room planned for multiple shelves stacked with books. More room for reading or studying or working with electronic devices. The library may become a place for study or for work away from the office. Access to computer terminals, specialist software like video editing suites and Adobe Creative suites. Carbon neutral. Good relationship with the site and the heritage buildings. Inviting for the public to wander in. Small community meeting rooms, perhaps with teleconferencing technology. " 2011-08-23 17:45:09 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library comengage said "You may be interested in Living Libraries: http://current.com/groups/on-current-tv/76292762_living-library.htm It's a novel way of exchanging information that has been used in Swedish libraries." 2011-08-23 17:08:18 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library rlwalters said "Thanks for your response and good to hear that some aspects are being considered. I'd also suggest that adaptability in buildings is more than adaptable spaces (although this is vital). It needs to look at adaptable structures, fittings and materials. For example, removable and reusable floors, walls and shelves so that we move away from the idea of demolish and rebuild and move towards disassemble and rearrange, which is easier, cheaper and has far less environmental and social impact." 2011-08-23 16:59:48 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/how-should-we-honour-the-local-aboriginal-people-and-migrants-that-have-made-marrickville-what-it-is-today Mr MS said "Don't build up select groups. Be inclusive. I like the idea of local artists displaying their work on say a 3 month rotational basis. Allow scented plants near the entrance for the low sighted." 2011-08-23 16:58:05 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries comengage said "Great ideas. We are v. happy to get feedback from PWD and are working with Council's Access Committee so that accessibility of all aspects of the new building will be looked at from their perspective. V important to also consider what's in the library...chairs etc. - Thanks" 2011-08-23 16:50:48 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings Mr MS said "Respect heritage but not at the expense of access. I.e. smooth surface for wheelchairs. What about outside reading areas, under cover with quality coffee available. " 2011-08-23 16:48:36 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library comengage said "Hi The librarians had also pegged that there needed to be better designs for allowing parents to participate - whilst having kids actively involved - thanks for that. Also agree that it's important to communicate the sustainability features of the new building. Just to let you know - Council has agreed to build a 6 Green Star rated, environmentally friendly building - which is fantastic...and we need to let the community know. Many thanks" 2011-08-23 16:44:05 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries Mr MS said "Allow seats for people with disabilities (PWD) throughout the library. Instead of trendy new chairs, ask people with access requirements to chose them eg arms to help us to get up. Every so often rotate bottom shelves so PWD can get to these ones." 2011-08-23 16:41:24 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library comengage said "Thanks for your ideas. The draft accommodation schedule is definitely looking at adaptable / flexible uses of space (have a look at it in the library section of the page). But I think it's are really interesting idea to more actively look at future scenarios in the consultation process. I'll keep that in mind when designing the up coming consultations. Thanks" 2011-08-23 16:36:02 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Mr MS said "Have more large print books for the ageing baby boomers. Have the new technologies buy allow time to explain them or have classes older people can attend to find out about them." 2011-08-23 16:31:08 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library ElaenaG said "I'd like to see space dedicated to knowledge exchange...in whatever form that might be. To me that means flexible spaces that can be used by various groups/communities to share information and knowledge. " 2011-08-23 14:40:02 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library tracka said "I'd really like to see a variety of spaces. Room for activities like story telling and baby rhyme time to occur whilst still allowing other library uses to access the space. Offer talks and activities for all ages groups. In particular it would be great if there was a space where mums could watch their kids play whilst mums had the opportunity to engage in a class or talk. I have always found the library a retreat space to go relax, pick up a book and let my daughter browse the shelves. To the point that she has had a temper tantrum on days when we need to walk past. What a great thing that she sees it as a place she wants to be! It should be creative and inspiring but provide mostly areas of quiet to read and study and think. It should have natural light and be spacious and for this reason I think it should be modern reflecting on our current times. People should know when they walk past that it is a library and not just an old government building. Please don't use that revolting baby blue colour that is prominent in all police stations, hospitals and retirement villages. Aim for the highest green building design possible with visible information about how the building functions- this is something I really wish had happened with Enmore pool. We are very excited about a new library. " 2011-08-23 14:34:58 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library rlwalters said "This library will be around for a long time. In that time the whole concept of books and libraries in our society is likely to change dramatically. Anything built now should carefully consider what likely future scenarios might bring. A well designed facility will serve the community well and help us all to make the most of the changes in society. A poorly designed facility will just maintain the status quo and will end up being a place where old books are stored - a neglected curiosity. To cater for this unknown and uncertain future, two things should be done: 1. With the community and information experts, map out a range of possible future scenarios and use these as a basis for the design specification. 2. Whatever is designed should incorporate a high degree of adaptability so that the facility can be easily modifed in future as the needs of society and our community change. Some thought provokers: In the future, will we need text based books much at all? Access to e-books and readers may be far more important and the 'library' could facilitate this (both at the library and on-line). Graphic based books may still serve an important role, for children to intoduce them to books and where images cannot be conveyed effectively over the internet. Meeting, and sharing information and ideas will become a far more important function of libraries than just having information to read. For this, equipment will be needed that help people to share information in new and creative ways e.g. projectors and large screen displays, 3D and virtual displays. Access to a wider range of information will also become important. Think way beyond the bounds of the current council library system. Maybe the term 'library' will disappear?" 2011-08-23 13:49:42 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library comengage said "Lots of books" 2011-08-18 21:47:25 +1000