http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/comment/index BangTheTable.com - Providing the community and government with a new way to engage in public policy debate http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/how-has-flooding-affected-your-property-in-the-marrickville-area Monique said "Just finished reading through the flood report findings. There were a lot of complaints about flooding in Ferndale Street. A problem contributing to this, which I didn't see mentioned in the report, is that a major stormwater drain at the corner of Ferndale and Camden Streets Newtown has had its efficiency greatly reduced by a driveway-type dip in the kerb that fronts the road closure/park. This kerb dip effectively stops the flow of water on the southern side of Ferndale Street from going into the stormwater drain; instead it flows through the park/road closure. The kerb dip on each side of the Camden Street road closure has also encouraged motorists to drive straight across the park/road closure - destroying brickwork around the grass area that was probably designed to channel water into another drain in the middle of the road closure/park. The kerb dip was presumeably created to enable cyclists and wheelchairs to cross the road closure easily, however, perhaps council could look at relocating the kerb dip somewhere that doesn't interupt stormwater flow. (Bollards at either end of the road closure would also stop cars and trucks (!) illegally and selfishly treating it as a thoroughfare.) " 2012-05-20 00:30:48 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/do-you-have-any-other-comments-that-will-assist-council-in-planning-for-recreation-needs dog owner said "I support item 4.8.6 of the Strategic Directions document and I would like to see more facilities for dog owners. We need an off leash dog park with associated amenities, water, bags and waste bins. Johnson Park, behind the basketball court would be ideal." 2012-05-19 14:34:04 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/do-you-have-any-other-comments-that-will-assist-council-in-planning-for-recreation-needs Maggie said "1. I agree that a more thorough, cohesive approach is required to meet the needs of pet owners. Not only is dog walking a common activity with well recognised health benefits, it is also an activity that has had little active council support in terms of intrastructure. In addition to bins, bags etc. The following would be helpful: safe well lit areas to walk dogs in twilight hours (particularly important in winter); a strategic plan to fence park areas which enclose paths for walking (particularly paths to and from off leash areas) as well as areas designated as off leash; programmes such as an annual pet/dog festival, promotion of a dog training club; all park taps should also have attached dog water bowls at ground level. 2. In terms of park flora. Whilst native vegetation is important and integral to the area, a co-existing plan to introduce areas of non-indigenous ornamentalswould provide interest and appeal to many in the community who are familiar with European/North American/Asian topogrophy. Thus, paths framed by silver birch with a mass planting at one end, or tree corridors of jacarandas or blossom trees, or architectural structures covered by yellow (and thornless) Lady Banksia roses or wisteria etc, or maples that drop their leaves after an intense display of autumnal reds would provide interest year round. Many of these plants once established are hardy and water efficient. Furthermore, if these areas were set around picnic areas or included park benches, their picturesque setting would encourage use of those facilities. 3. Safe bike lanes/paths between parks, and into the city are necessary to future community planning. Fuel is increasingly costly, as is public transport, and more and more peak hour traffic in the innerwest is untennable. The overwhelming barrier to daily bicycle commuting is the risk to cyclists from road traffic and dedicated paths help overcome this. As would easily accessible maps with dedicated paths/lanes marked out for local cyclists. 4. Many local streets have a disorganised hodge podge of side-walk trees. Regardless of the choice of tree - evergreen, native, or non-native ornamental, eg. jacarandas, corridors of matching trees are more aesthetically appealing. A suggest that a programme to introduce or allow residents to introduce 'street blocks' of trees would be appreciated. 5. Community gardens. This is a much underutilised and undervalued community initiative. Group plots (eg. local schools), and individual plots whereby residents can plant fruits and vegetables, create compost, have farmers markets, create numerous opportunities for community growth and improvement. Educating children about healthy living and the importance of caring for our environment, providing a space were the community can connect through a positive, outdoor activity; supplementing the diet of groups that might otherwise that have the interest or the means for fresh produce are some of the benefits. 6. A safe, well lit, running track " 2012-05-18 10:35:15 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Milo said "@ RIwalters - I completely agree. This issue has been mired in factional politicking (yet again) and the hysterical letters to local media from some marrickville councillors have not been helpful. This behaviour results in mis-information and confusion and creates a cloud over community consultation processes. It erodes community trust in our elected leaders. I too would support some form of SRV if all viable alternatives had been considered and costed. The old "community need, not developer greed" line IS worth shouting when "developer greed" is in fact happening. Otherwise it's just political sloganeering. If there have in fact been clear proposals for outsized commercial or residential developments, put them on the table and examine the proposals rationally and thoroughly rather than scare-mongering about a park Vs 9 storey building (there's already a 9 storey building on the site btw). Let's have a more rational, more holistic approach to the development of the Library and the rest of the site, without all the freak-out in the media." 2012-05-15 13:05:45 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/article/guest-book5 aaronc said "Weekley Park Stanmore-I would like to see a major restoration project carried out at Weekley Park –The park is looking very tried and neglected. It is a much loved community park but needs some investment from Council. The Toilets are extremely outdated and need to be urgently demolished. The roof is starting to fall in and children have observed jumping on it as recently as last week. In addition to this drug users have been also observed and antisocial behaviour and use of the toilets as a beat has become an issue especially given the close proximity of the children’s playground. As a neighbourhood park it simply does not need a public toilet. The park as a whole needs a heritage restoration plan developed for it. " 2012-05-14 15:16:29 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/do-you-have-any-other-comments-that-will-assist-council-in-planning-for-recreation-needs Lab owner said "I support item 4.8.6 of the Strategic Directions document, that the area needs more facilities for dog walkers – off-leash areas, bag dispensers, bins and signage. I would add that we need 24 hour access to dog off leash areas. We do not time limit kids on playgrounds or picnicers and dog owners should be able to enjyoy the same freedoms. The north end of Johnston Park, Constitution Road in Dulwich Hill has an ampitheatre style with boundaries in place that could easily be turned into a 24 hour dog off leash area. That section of the park rarely gets used by reacreational users apart from dog walkers and the occassional group of kids drinking alcohol late at night. Making this a dog off leash area would have minimal impact on other reacreational users of the park. Having designated bins for dog waste would enhance the facilty for everyone. I notice that dog owners mostly try to discard the waste in bins furthest from the picnic areas but the bins quickly fill up with other rubbish and become overloaded. Having designated bins would ensure dog waste could be contained within the bin and be placed well clear of picnic areas. Public spaces are for eveybody and all residents contribute to a community environment, including people using the faicilties with their pets. " 2012-05-14 07:46:31 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/how-has-flooding-affected-your-property-in-the-marrickville-area goodsellstreet said "Yes my property has been affected by flooding. I am a house owner and resident of Goodsell Street, ST PETERS. Flooding has affected my property four times since I moved to the street in 2000 (in the middle of the drought...). The most recent time was the deluge around 17/18 April this year (2012). My comments pertain to the options discussed in 'Eastern Channel East Flood Study - 2010' and particulary the options SWQ-5 and R7 discussed therein. Option R7 discusses the installation of storm water infrastructure along May Lane. As May Lane in fact refers to both a section of road running parallel to Princes Highway AND a section of road running parallel to Goodsell street (at the time of the 2010 document production). It should be clarified which sections, or both, to which the plan refers. Also I think there is a re-naming of the street under proposal as part of a graffiti management policy, so care needs to be taken in the identification of the actual streets under discussion, and with regards to implementation of any infrastructure works or public works. I believe the document under-rates the flood levels which can occur resulting from water flowing down May Lane (the part which runs parallel to Goodsell Street to it's north, and May Street to it's south) for the following reason. The north side of May Lane (the part which runs parallel to Goodsell Street to it's north, and May Street to it's south, has a low gutter on the north side of the street, and ramp sections allowing residents access for off-street vehicle parking). During heavy rain, flash flooding occurs due to the run off being channelled down May Lane on the street itself. The depth of the water easily exceeds the height of the guttering, especially in view of the ramp sections mentioned previously. This channels water under garage doors and rear yard fences. The situation is exacerbated by the fact there are frequently garbage bins left on the north side of the street and blocking flow down the street towards Council Street, diverting the water flow into back yards, and onwards to into buildings causing property damage. While the water dissipates quickly once the rain stops(especially if residents get out there to move the obstructive bins), significant damage can be done to property (and has been done to my property) The responsibility of the garbage bins are left in the position is due to both residents, and council waste collection services, and a lack of space on the pavement/kerb side. I am in in favour of the introduction of a storm water drain in May Street as discussed in Option R7 of 'Eastern Channel East Flood Study - 2010' , with the addition of drainage gratings at at intervals which would mitigate to some extent the problem of the garbage bins blocking the flow of water. " 2012-05-11 14:09:39 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/do-you-have-any-other-comments-that-will-assist-council-in-planning-for-recreation-needs EllaK said "Along the vein that Liam has proposed, it would be in the best interests of residents and visitors of the Marrickville Council area, to provide a free-access public skateboard facility. Not only is a skate facility good for local riders and visitors, but revenue building for shop owners alike. This will also nurture creative expression through riding while promoting an active, healthy lifestyle. Throughout Australia approx 30% of children have or do ride skateboards or rollerblades, while 2% of children in NSW travel to school via skateboard, rollerblades or scooter. This coupled with skateboarding's rich 50 year plus history, proves that riding these self propelled vehicles is definitely not a fading social trend by any stretch of imagination. Providing a free access facility for local riders builds foundations for a new, exciting place to hold youth-oriented events, locally and possibly internationally acclaimed skate competitions and more importantly, provides an area for riders to do so in a safe environment, safe for themselves and pedestrians alike. Residents around the Newtown area have clamoured for a free access skate facility for the better part of 10+ years, with applications and communications going unnoticed and unfulfilled by the City of Sydney Council. Not only have C of S council ignored these cries, but also swept under the rug the need for a skate-park in Sydney's CBD for another 12 or so years. By building this skate facility, not only will it prove that there is a need for it, but that Marrickville council's ever-expanding vision for it's suburbs and its residents is that of a new age and far superior than that of other councils. Therefore, a free access facility for Marrickville is not a pipe-dream but more a necessity. Thank you." 2012-05-11 11:51:03 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/do-you-have-any-other-comments-that-will-assist-council-in-planning-for-recreation-needs fitle said "Marrickville needs another skatepark to cater for the increasingly popular freestyle skating, scootering and BMX. Sydenham Green would be the perfect location. Liam" 2012-05-10 20:53:16 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation G-P said "Marrickville needs to rise above its ghetto legacy while preserving its vibe and character. We need a new library. We need to fully utilise every square inch of open space that remains for the benefit of us all. We have one of the lowest rates of open space in Australia - once it's gone it is lost forever. We don't need an ugly 9 story residential tower to ruin the appeal of the town centre. We will be forever condemned by future generations. I cannot stand hearing people complain about inadequate amenities and yet be the first to protest about paying a trivial $1- $2 a week for it. " 2012-05-10 20:27:59 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/do-you-have-any-other-comments-that-will-assist-council-in-planning-for-recreation-needs Kopology said "The Council needs to provide access to lit sporting fields for informal sporting groups. Currently it is only possible to engage in group recreation at night where another sporting body (e.g. a rugby club) has a booked session at a park AND there is reasonable space for co-use. It is not practicable for many groups of friends to form registered sporting clubs just so that they can enjoy a social game of soccer or touch football. It discourages participation in sport. Our group finds it exceedingly difficult to find an appropriate space to play outside of the Daylight Savings period when lights are not required. " 2012-05-02 22:06:59 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/which-recommendations-from-the-draft-recreation-needs-research-are-most-important-to-you roosnanna said "I would like art classes to be established for adults in retirement, drawing, still life, portraiture, water colour painting, etc. " 2012-05-02 12:45:44 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Larry said "I understand that people on low incomes need access to some facilities but this looks like monumental-ism on the part of the council and architects. I don't paying some rates to provide them some facilities, even though as a Newtown resident I have never used Marrickville council libraries and probably never will. I think I be paying around $100 for 15 years so that is $1500. OK. But spend the $30m+ on a library? Get away. We could provide much more useful help and infrastructure for that figure. This library will probably be redundant before the 15 years. is out. Sad but inevitable. The fact is that libraries are used less and less by newer generations who are online 24x7. At the price given the council could give every low income resident a Kindle or equivalent, access to an on-line library and some free-for-ratepayer wifi points located in each shopping area - many times over. And the wifi may not be necessary if low income people get subsidised NBN as looks to be the case. The UK is getting rid of libraries and , yes, I know that is a Tory slash and burn government, but the underlying reason is really a matter of relevance. I like books and have a lot but sadly times are moving on. Just because there was a plan made in 1995, at the beginning of the era public internet access, does not mean that plan has to be slavishly followed 17 years later. Council should think again about this. Why not spend the money on footpaths (disgraceful state), disabled access, bicycle access (not just painting symbols on roads) and roads. I'd be happy to have the rate increase if our crummy infrastructure were improved." 2012-04-25 16:08:08 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation adncnsn said "Rather than settle on a scope of works and then figure out how much to squeeze residents in order to pay for it, how about we consider what can be built with available funds? Council says that the community wants the library to include "meeting rooms, an auditorium, and a cafe...". Really?? Marrickville Town Hall has an auditorium that is very sadly underutilised. Marrickville is stacked full of new cafes. Why do we need to build more of these things? And frankly, here we are in the 21st century and we are going to spend 15 years paying off a room in which to store printed books? Seriously?? When the payoff is complete, in the year 2027, just how many people are going to be checking out those books?" 2012-04-25 11:08:17 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-concept-designs-for-the-eco-water-garden anny said "I like design 1 as it's funky and appealing to kids and adults - the wavy lines and nooks and crannies are interesting and intriguing. As a member of the community garden I agree with Martha that we need a secure garden and our access to sunlight has to be as unlimited as possible. " 2012-04-20 20:15:10 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Reecy said "I do not support the increased levies, Marrickville Council need to budget for this type of Infrastructure, this is a service they provide and should without asking for additional funds. Manage the current budget efficiently without wasting money and save, like we all have to when we want something new. What happens once it's built? did the rates go down? yeh hardly. Perhaps use money from the extra revenue they will get for the Metro expansion and the Lewisham towers, which are both a product of greedy Councillors and the ex labour government. " 2012-04-20 14:23:37 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-concept-designs-for-the-eco-water-garden Martha said "One more requirement for the community garden is a fence on the side of the water garden which will ensure that people do not come into the garden and take plants and vegetables as they did in the days before we had sufficiently high fencing (which we struggled to install). Now that we have fortress education and the school has the new fencing, the garden is not vulnerable out of hours, but while the school is open, there still needs to be fencing on all sides, even though the fencing (barrier) on the water garden side might be more attractive as one looks to the community garden from the school. For the garden this is a serious matter. It was only when we finally secured the garden with adequate fencing, after years of problems, that it became possible to plant with confidence of getting the fruits of our labour and not lose even whole plants to human predators. (Including little old ladies). Martha Ansara Marrickville West community garden" 2012-04-20 01:17:43 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-concept-designs-for-the-eco-water-garden Martha said "I don't altogether understand the 3 designs so will only comment on the requirements I hope for in relation to the community garden: 1) please do not put any trees or very large bushes too near the garden in such a way that they will shade our growing areas which we need for vegetables. We really need all the existing sunny space as the garden has been planned this way and it would be difficult and discouraging to start again. 2) Please ensure that we continue to have a wide gate access to a space large enough for storage of stable waste and mulch. This gate should be on the lane side of the garden not on the Henson Street side and it does really need to be as wide as the present gate into the garden. Thanks Martha Ansara Marrickville West community garden member " 2012-04-20 01:03:44 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation KWatts said "I am in favour of the SRV if it means we end up with a library that the Marrickville community deserves. The current libraries are woeful when you compare them to libraries in other suburbs and send a poor message about how Council values our community and cultural history. I am also very concerned that the impetus to build a new library - too long in coming - will be lost if we stall around the issue of an SRV, and that the site set aside (which is in a great location) will be lost if we do not move things forward. A new library with better facilities will be an enormous benefit to the local community and is well worth an SRV." 2012-04-17 17:11:51 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-would-you-like-to-see-upgradedrefurbished-at-arlington-reserve The_Doctor said "Improvement of drainage is the most important because it will improve the enjoyment of the reserve by all, but especially the soccer players and spectators. There are some drainage issues around the periphery of the sporting ground itself that also need attention, as failure to do so will reduce the lifetime of the surface. Gardening works will enhance the appearance and amenity for all. Mulching is especially important for weed suppression and to aid in moisture retention, improving the survival prospects of new plantings. The bench seating also needs attention: while there are probably sufficient serviceable seats for the current spectator numbers, the "hoon element" (especially those who get into the ground after hours, spray graffiti, break glass bottles and destroy the seats) is gradually reducing the number of useable bench seats. If replacement is being considered, then any replacement must be indestructible (or nearly so) AND in keeping with the heritage style of the current grandstand. The last thing Council needs to do is spend ratepayers' money on fancy seats that will be targetted by vandals. At the very least, repainting will help to preserve the timber, and prevent further rusting of the ironwork supports. Can the ground be locked regularly, once again?? Restoration of the heritage elements would be wonderful however with limited funds one must question the value of this - whether it is a good and efficient use of money, especially if the restoration does not add useful functionality to the ground. Also, if replacing the gates is being considered, Council should weigh up whether replacement of the gates will do little more than provide a target for hoons to vandalise. If money is limitless, then by all means, do it. At the discussion today one Council representative stated that the relocation of the scoreboard was inlcuded because of a combination of safety factors, and poor current location - putting it somewhere that some of the soccer fraternity would like to see it. (The comment was made by the Council representative: "it is in the wrong position" - given that it has been in "the wrong position for many years, its relocation can only be as a result of lobbying by the soccer fraternity.) Soccer crowds have coped with the board in its current location, so its relocation is an absolute luxury given the extremely limited funds. If necessary, add a railing to the existing board to make it safer, but do not spend scarce money on relocation. (This is probably much cheaper too!) In fact, I don't think it is used consistently any longer, so the soccer fraternity has demonstrated that they can enjoy the ground without the scoreboard." 2012-04-14 17:34:11 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-hardest-thing-about-community-engagement-for-local-council-officers Judy said "The Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality is holding a webinar about using deliberative methods to engage the public. It's at 5.00am on Friday 20 April (Brisbane time). For more info, visit: https://air-min.webex.com/air-min/j.php?ED=186379522&RG=1&UID=0&RT=MiMxMQ%3D%3D Judy" 2012-04-10 15:24:19 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Tempetrio said "Lets not get too excited about a new library. Firstly we were not consulted as to if we wanted a library we were given options! Surely no one is so naive to believe any government figures on costing - always underestimated and when did any governement reduce rates after increasing them. Then there is the likelyhood that local libraries will be closed so that will mean all of us including young families, seniors and people with disabilites will have to find their way to Petersham where there will be a grand total of 60 car spaces. Then of course the design is all windows! Costly to clean, costly to temperature control and based on councils to get the design wrong (look at the Annette Kellerman Centre where the air conditioning doesnt work, the change rooms were exposed to the public, limited access to families with children so we have little girls in men's change rooms, disabled toilets with direct view from the pool so if u walk out of the shower everyone can see you, scanners that rarely work, equipment regularily malfunctioning .......) and someone thinks a new library is a good idea. Surely in this age we can bring resourcers locally at far less cost so that all the community can be involved. If we need library resources - which needs to be the first stem - lets not jump to councils solution but put it out there to the local residents and let us work on what might work - gee we may even have a variety of ideas with each facility providing a range of different services and we could CHOOSE where we went. If we play the game we are doomed to be a part of the problem not the solution! " 2012-04-05 22:58:54 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-concept-designs-for-the-eco-water-garden Community Sustainability said "The concept designs include areas for student teaching areas - a fantastic opportunity for students to learn more about water sensitive cities!" 2012-04-05 13:09:54 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Jacinta said "If it is true that it was voting on motions in regards to the library that caused Councillors not to turn, I am appalled, I would like to see a statement from each of the missing Councillors on why they think it is acceptable to skip a meeting" 2012-04-05 11:56:38 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-issues-are-important-for-council-to-focus-on-and-assist-the-glbtiq-community-with DavidWilson said "Asking the LGBTQI community members (local residents) what their issues are is the first step in starting to engage and assist people identifying as LGBTQI - well done. Council should start to encourage increased local presence of LGBTQI community group's. This increase in local LGBTQI services could be fostered by encouraging the use of local council properties to hold meetings and local events without charge." 2012-04-02 17:13:09 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation pvsolar said "Lucy, thanks for phoning just minutes after the above follow up comment, coincidentally. I appreciate the call and that even 'Commengage's' have workloads that can delay responses to haveyoursay comments." 2012-03-30 17:46:40 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation pvsolar said "How's it going? I put my phone contact on the comment above so you have the option of discussing not just having to publish responses. I can appreciate as an engineer who has been involved in innovation and development, testing and developing designs with CSIRO testing and other commercial facilities, that it takes time to get new developments right. Learning is part of the process. My developments where with both my own private investment and also competitively won commonwealth funding. To have significant public money such as a portion of $18M with the AKAC or $30M with the New Library to work with on developing solutions for climate change responses in a building project would be wonderfull. The risk would be externalised. If you were not required to, or not asked to report on the outcomes that would be less accountable than I had to be with the grant funding I received. It's hard to believe that would be the case here in our community for significant infrastructure investments like AKAC. To then be surveyed on our thoughts toward handing over the next major project funding, when we don't know how the previous investment and project has turned out, is well, what is that it asking for? I know its near to Easter so asking for a great leap of faith from the community may be appropriate, but better to provide evidence of outcomes I think. regards, Peter Erling " 2012-03-30 16:46:47 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation pvsolar said "Hi Lucy, Can you advise when there will be a report issued on the Annette Kellerman pool, one year in, or 18 months in. A report on the operations and maintenance costs or forcasts, the energy costs to operate, the electricity consumption and amount exported. Bill koutalianos has been asking for capital costs of the cogeneration plant, which is also trigeration with the cooling absorption chiller in use. That capital cost should be Avialable, even if there has been variations made such additional cooling towers found to be be needed. Overall, it is very valid to report and allow open review of the performance of the facility. I understand that choice of the Trigeneration approach was informed by counci policy on emissions reduction targets of 20% by 2020? So at the time the cogen may have been the solution to choose, and Trigeneration seemed the way to so consequently It done now. So now it goes forward and operations and maintenance costs are a factor to be managed. When will there be transparency on this in a report? If you would like to have some help to prepare such a report, i am an electrical engineer with time available and I am interested in the AK pool in a positive manner both as a Patron of it, and as an engineer who has a background in solar energy systems and more recently in cogeneration and Trigeneration. I think Bill is interested for valid reasons, but he has also revealed on Facebook that he has a very strong Climate sceptic agenda. I hope he is not trying to undermine the validity of council's leading the way in new solutions to energy and emissions reductions. I see a valid role for that by councils, and my past work included delivery of solar PV to some councils infrastructure. I think Bill wants to get to the cost issues and I am interested in this too. There is an ROI issue involved, but the community may be willing to accept marginal investment in new solutions, but to be sustainable requires that these be audit able, reported on and as part of the process to review if the policy settings are correct to drive these kind of investments in the future. Bill is correct to ask for transparency on these matters, and if you don't have the answers, then it can suggest that council is making decisions without proper information and sound basis to support it. Even if you refer to other external guidelines for making choices about how to build facilities, isn't reasonable and accountable to also review ournown local examples and decide if it's the correct way to go for us. We should be able to front up to peer review events, LGMA and such like and say, 'Here is the AK Pool and this is how it working as an example of following this policy that informed the design choice made'. Admittedly that is a long title for presentation however. Looking forward to hearing form you, and I support council supporting the way forward as we understand the world aroundnus and what we neednto be doing. Peter Erling 0414 895 370 " 2012-03-28 12:35:26 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Col said "A number or contributors to this discussion have questioned Council's ability to deliver the new library project. The good news is that Council delivered the new Enmore pool on time and under budget, and it's a great asset to our area. Secondly a number of people have suggested that the site be developed with a private partner. Council has investgated this extensively and the figures don't add up for a commercial project without seriously breaking council's planning guidelines, and I hope all will agree that Council should not break its own rules. The old library is a poor resource for our community, and a well managed modern library will give important access to information to the poorer members of our community as well as provding an important cultural asset that brings our community together. Indeed this project is an important part of community building. The role of government is to provide, with taxpayers money, public resources that make our lives better. The pool at Enmore and the new pool at Petersham were built with the same kind of levy, and we're all better off (even though I don't use the pools). Council's proposal is a modest, prudent and costed process, and I hope it will receive the support of all who want to build our community." 2012-03-27 15:47:11 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Jen said "I think the visual presentation of the library designs distorts their size so they appear to be bigger than what they are. I believe the project should be relabelled "Library & Community Centre" so as to really reflect its modern function." 2012-03-25 14:17:22 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation cliffwalker said "In fact the project hasn't realy started as the Council must get the State Governemnt's permission for a special rate levy, especially as we have already had one for the swimming pool. Did you even know this? Whilst Council has wasted $60,000 for three awful concept designs for a new library, the project can be stopped by us, the rate payers. I urge you to write a letter of protest to all Marrickville Coucncillors and to the General Manager, so your objections are on the record, and no-one can diddle the figures through questionnable surveys that can get twisted. This is our Council, our elected Government, the Councillors, are suppossed to support the will of the people! Staff are there only to turn the cogs of OUR Government, and without favourtism towards any particular Councillor, or political faction." 2012-03-25 10:53:12 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Pebbles said "This proposed rate increase should have been proposed before the project started. It is negligent to not involve the community in increasing rates after the plans are in progress. I oppose the rate increase and want to see more accountability from the council. " 2012-03-24 18:09:21 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Rosebud said "Our family can't afford an increase in our rates for the library. I don't believe that the library will be completed within budget and I bet that over the next 15 years there will be other projects that the Council will want to raise special levies for. I feel that the library proposals are all fantastic but unaffordable. I don't think its realistic to compare Marrickville with libraries from Seattle and other large cities. I also find it hard to fathom that with that huge parcel of land, Council can't come up with a funding solution for this project that doesn't hit ratepayers with an additional levy. " 2012-03-23 18:17:31 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation cliffwalker said "Further, the proposed mail out to rate payers about this levy must include at least five examples of ratable propeties, both residential and commercial, and show what the REAL increase in rates with SPV at 6.72% will be, say for every 3 years, over the 15 year period. I spoke about this at two Council meetings. PLast meeting only four pepole were there about the rate Levy and only two spoke? People need to go to meetings and voice their concerns, you don't have to speak, being there lets the Councillors know of your concern! I also object to the use of the internet as one of the major tools to glean feedback, as in my community of Tempe, around 30% of people don't have access to the internet. And why should they ahve to? The survey in Marrickville Matters is a jok,e and in protest I will not be filling one in and encourage people to complain about the way it was structured. If we don;t kick up nothing will change in this Council." 2012-03-23 12:01:14 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Bill Koutalianos said "Couldn't have put it better myself. Let's just hope that Council make note of the content of such community feedback, instead of just using the statistics on the number of responses, to argue their case that the community has been consulted. I had initially encouraged people to fill out the latest survey and I now regret having done so, given how irrelevant and misleading that survey is. Anyone who understands how statistics can be manipulated, should think twice about filling out that survey. People should put their views across in their own words, rather than in Council's poor excuse of a survey. Please refer to my previous analysis on the 14 question survey." 2012-03-23 11:42:21 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation cliffwalker said "Staff present false information and are doing so deliberately. Staff have stated in public documents, since November last year, that the average rate rise will be $1 a week over the loan period. The special rate variation goes up 6.72% every year, calculated after the yearly rate increase has been added to our rates, so how can it be $1 for the life of the loan? Also in March 2012 staff gave out documents about the rate levy that said the rise was 3.6% p/a. Senior management was alerted to this error (?), and also the way in which they have presented the $1 per week non-sense, last November or December; yet, are still pedaling documents with misleading information to rate payers. I know staff are ‘extremely’ pro a new library, but this deliberately misleading rate payers needs to be brought to the attention of the Office of the Ombudsman. The interest rate we will pay over 15 years at 8% on $23 million is over $16 million; so the library will cost rate payers over $45 million dollars, not counting the value of the land! The Australian economy is in crisis, hundreds of jobs are being lost every week in across the country, and more on the cutting board to go; there is no good news for Australia from economic analysts in the media; Europe is stuffed; England slides towards economic collapse; forget the USA of A; China’s prediction are for a further slowdown. My elderly neighbours are stressing with the electricity rise last year, the one coming this year, and the rises across the board that the Carbon Tax will bring them, and why shouldn’t they, as we don’t know how low income earners will be assisted for the Carbon Tax! They only have pensions to live on, they don’t go out and have ‘latte’s’ , (how arrogant to use that analogy) because they can’t afford to! I recall reading that this LGA has a high unemployment rate compared to the rest of the city? Expensive infrastructure projects like this should happen at a time of economic prosperity, not during a global recession. So why in this economic time of uncertainty do we need to build such a huge and expensive library. I say wait for 5 years, save some money, we have $7 million surely that will increase with interest, and then look at the economic picture. No rate levy! I am also concerned that this MEGA LIBRARY will mean the closure of our local community libraries to fund the ongoing maintenance of this proposed library in Marrickville. This has already been suggested in a Council meeting by Cr Thanos. And then what, sell off our local facilities to fund further huge works? " 2012-03-23 11:20:53 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Bill Koutalianos said "There are two important figures in this discussion which have not received any publicity, let alone community consultation, namely, the total project cost of the library including associated works and interest and secondly the monies which will be collected through the "Special Rate Variation" over 15 years. These monies are important because they will be extracted from the local community and local economy. Council's fact sheets state the cost of the library is $30 million, but some staff are disinclined to confirm this as a total project figure as there are still unresolved cost areas. Certainly the interest payments on the borrowed funds are one of the biggest cost factors which have not been mentioned in Council's fact sheets and it's obviously an area that some staff are not familiar with. On the Special Rate Variation monies to be collected over 15 years, I've just received a calculation which places that figure well in excess of $50 million. The local economy will miss out on over $50 million over the next 15 years. Has Council done a study on how many more empty shopfronts this work out to? Perhaps such a study could be extended to the number of residential mortgage defaults as well. " 2012-03-22 13:55:43 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation X-Man said "After also the reading the comments, I support the majority of views expressed in this forum that whilst the library has significant benefit to the community, the business case is poor based on unreaslistic assumptions and the levy will be a financial burden on working families in Marrickville. For this reason, I encourage council to improve their engagement with ratepayers and businesses and not proceed with the levy. Listening to the community may also be of benefit to councillors at the upcoming elections." 2012-03-22 10:12:40 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Annelise said "I was ambivalent about the proposed levy at first, though possibly more inclined to agree with and accept it as necessary in order to provide our community with an improved facility for the future, and now after reading the various comments and replies from council, I am more convinced that I can happily accept this levy, especially as it is a nominal amount. I don't believe (and certainly hope) it is not too onerous a financial imposition on all ratepayers in the LGA. Everybody can benefit from an innovative library that is also a resource for learning, information, community events, social opportunities, etc." 2012-03-21 17:21:28 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Annelise said "@ X-Man – re comment regarding original proposal to include library at expanded Metro shopping centre. This was never an offer to build the new Marrickville library – it was an ambiguous offer of partial contribution to some kind of community facility that they may not have had to implement at all. The Metro is a shopping centre, not a community centre, and it is already in an inappropriate location that generates intolerable levels of traffic congestion in a residential setting. The Metro did not go to the Land and Environment Court, they by-passed the local governing body the Marrickville Council and pitched their proposal through the grossly controversial and corrupt Part 3A planning laws established by the previous NSW State Govt. After 21 months, and with many revisions to their original plans being forced on them only due to community opposition and campaigning, they have only NOW (a couple of days ago) “won” final approval from the independent Planning Assessment Commission, and only after the commissioners included a range of additional conditions to help to alleviate the negative impacts on the surrounding residential area. The Metro proposal has no place in this discussion about a new Marrickville community library." 2012-03-21 16:51:05 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Annelise said "The library of the future could be many things – a learning resource, a technology hub, a business network, the ‘heart’ of the community where social and special interest needs are met. There are many people that for one reason or another can become isolated socially, and need somewhere (and preferably one place only) to go for information, counseling, learning, activities and company (eg newly arrived immigrants, people with disabilities, elderly, recently widowed adults, etc etc). There are many community groups that need a regular place to meet or have events, that are low cost or free. Flexible rooms for meetings, community interest groups etc (to be available free, or at minimal cost) Facility for larger scale community meetings/events (to be available free, or at minimal cost) Quiet areas for reading Child care/crèche Space/specific area devoted to Marrickville area historic records, pictures, books, artefacts etc Space/specific area devoted to environmental/sustainable information, ideas, books, tools (to borrow), etc Music room – plus classes, instruments to borrow, music sheets to borrow, recordings, etc Office facilities for small business/home business operators to access at low cost Lots of after-school and holiday learning/activity programs for children of all ages Courses for adults (eg languages, English for non-english speakers, computer skills for older adults, other sorts of newer technology courses for older adults eg iphones, ipads, ipods, etc etc, how to pay bills electronically etc) Activities and social groups for older adults, migrants, disabled people – that may be isolated socially Open poetry and prose readings Art exhibitions Craft classes Café " 2012-03-21 16:27:31 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation SirLiberal said "This looks like a classic case of gold-plated over-specified development to satisfy the egos of the councillors. 20million+ for a library? Are you freaking kidding me? It's a building with some books in it. You should be able to redevelop that very large site and provide a RETURN to ratepayers. I hope council auditors and the State Government are keeping an eye on this as it's got "rort" and "white elephant" written all over it. Suggestion - Sell off the existing eyesore council chambers in Petersham; - Lease the existing library out to businesses. Put the books into cheap storage somewhere; - Use that money to redevelop the Marrickville site with a small community services centre with some free PC's in it and also new council offices and new office buildings, owned by council but leased to businesses; - Get a service provider to install a ratepayer WiFi network covering the entire Council area.; - Give everyone a free iPad and a 100 dollar Amazon gift certificate; - If you must, set up a windmill or something to placate the Greens. Don't bother plugging it in though. I guarantee you'll get a far higher usage, and get better PR with that solution that with this nonsense - and you'll generate a continuing cash flow helping to keep rates down and/or provide nice trips to your twin-towns in Palestine. " 2012-03-21 14:51:33 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-hardest-thing-about-community-engagement-for-local-council-officers Ron said "Thanks for opening up the file upload facility, Lucy. I've just provided a recent paper by Carole Patement, president of the American Political Science Association, which is getting some deserved attention. While mainly referring to participatory budgeting, she situates the deliberative enterprise in the historical demand for participatory democracy. I think she clarifies the tension between practitioners who focus on procedural fairness and inclusion and those who organise for change. " 2012-03-21 12:02:41 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Simon said "I'm concerned about the real value to many ratepayers of the proposed increase. I live on an average-sized block for the Marrickville area and the proposed $1 per week increase looks optimistically low to me. There must be many people paying below 'average' rates in order to arrive at this figure. Moreover, the $1 per week figure will increase over the course of 15 years due to rate rises and adjustments to land valuations, so I don't believe ratepayers are being told the real cost of the proposed development. If the cost of building the library is a fixed cost, why will the amount of the levy increase over time? What will be the actual amount payable in 2028/29, long after the library has been built? Why not make it a fixed amount, rather than a percentage? I use the council library services frequently, thanks to an excellent branch library which does a great job serving the local community. It is handy and helpful and widely-used. In more than 20 years of living in the area I have only visited Marrickville library once, and that was because it was quicker to go there and collect a book I wanted. My concern is that building a new 'super' library will have a negative impact on the branches which actually serve their communities very well. The comment that 'There are no plans to close branch libraries' doesn't fill me with a lot of confidence, particularly as such proposals have been investigated previously. While Marrickville itself might benefit from having a new library, I doubt if this value will be spread to the rest of the community which will be paying for it for 15 years. Why not build a smaller library and spend some of the funds to expand and enhance the infrastructure of the branch libraries so that the whole community can benefit? Forcing people to visit a 'super' library will only add to congestion on the roads and make it harder for the elderly and children who currently make good use of their local libraries on a daily basis. I note in Marrickville Matters the comparison with libraries in other urban locations. The likes of Salt Lake City, Seattle and Malmo are major metropolitan centres with larger populations compared to a single council borough in Sydney; comparing these centres with, say, the State Library in Sydney would be more accurate comparison. It's worth noting too that the Singleton library mentioned in Marrickville Matters cost $4.5 million to build, about a quarter of the amount proposed by Marrickville council. This shows that it is poosible to build a first-class facility that serves the needs of the community without draining council reserves and imposing an additional burden on ratepayers. I fully support the need for council investment in local infrastructure and services but the track record for grandioise schemes like this one being undertaken by local councils is not good eg The Glasshouse in Port Macquarie. Inevitably it is the local ratepayers who end up footing the bill for years to come for a facility of marginal benefit for the majority of the community. Small is good!" 2012-03-21 10:12:43 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library pvsolar said "I have previously suggested that a Music Space component could fit with the new library site. It's not easy or convenient to find music education for very young kids locally. If there is parking for families to come with kids, or by bike, whatever you can do, then a parent can bring their child for a educative experience in music while also using the facilities of the library. If suggested Auditorium space is included then there's a place for performances. If the cafe has a small stage then informal or pre-booked performance can occur. A Music Space can work in with say the Conservatorium of Music as a place for music education students to practice teaching and giving experience including performance to others. It can attract working and visiting musicians to give input for workshops or performances. There is a great cross cultural opportunity with music in a diverse community like ours. Music speaks across language and cultures. The developmental benefits of music education to kids are well known. The old hospital has rooms that might suit this use. Funding might be found through sources related to infrastructure and education and the Conservatorium might be able to help as well as corporate sponsorships to help create and maintain the Music Space and make it an active and integrated part of a new Library and Civic centre. Many arts can potentially fit with a library. It will take some thought and imagination as well as clever networking to set this up and keep it happening, but I think it could add a lot to the value of this investment by the community in its self and it's future, building human and social capital which does pay off well for communities who make such investment. Peter Erling" 2012-03-21 00:50:41 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-hardest-thing-about-community-engagement-for-local-council-officers comengage said "Hi Ron I'm just seeing if I can change your access so the entire group can upload their own material. Will get back to you. Cheers Lucy" 2012-03-20 09:58:33 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-hardest-thing-about-community-engagement-for-local-council-officers Denise said "Hello hello! had some trouble getting in because it asks for email or screen name, but it really only took the screen name - but now I'm here and happy! I will see if I can find any photos and put them up. " 2012-03-19 14:31:30 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-hardest-thing-about-community-engagement-for-local-council-officers Ron said "Terrific to have this forum set up! I look forward to getting into interesting dialogue about the evolving foundations for practice. --Ron. p.s. I just tried to upload a paper that may be of interest to some, but was denied permission." 2012-03-19 11:53:19 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Bill Koutalianos said "Hi Anthony, I share your financial concerns. I note that within the space of 6 weeks, your contribution to the library has advanced from $1.00 per week to $1.20 per week (per comengage response above) to your latest online calculator figure of $1.57 per week. I suggest you begin a time and cost graph to track future movements of your contribution over the next 15 years. It's a valid point you raise about the review of land values in the very near future and over future years. Then there's the annual normal rate rise which will also presumably exacerbate the 6.72% SRV, so it will be interesting to look back at the stated starting price of $1.00 in years to come and see how that translates in 15 years time. If we take your recent 57 cent or 57% rise over 6 weeks as a guide, there are not enough spaces in my calculator to do the calculation over the 15 year period. Council staff assure me the Council will seek a fix interest rate on the borrowed $23 million shortfall, but as we all know, fixed interest rates are higher than variable interest rates. There are risks either way. If Council wishes to roll the dice on the financial security of itself and its ratepayers, perhaps it should be seeking financial input from the community as well. Instead Council has wasted our time and money on surveys that ask for input on whether we like the green, blue or yellow concept artist's impressions. We have been treated like little children and Council is acting like a delinquent teenager with our money. Grown up Council staff waste our time and money considering whether screw type wind turbines will be used as decorative rooftop features on the library. What's worse is, they may actually decide to include them in the proposal, which will push the costs up even further." 2012-03-17 13:24:12 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Bill Koutalianos said "Hi Pvsolar, Thank you for your comments. I tried to join those two Facebook groups a few days ago, but as far as I can tell I haven't been accepted as yet. Regardless of our views on the library, I think we need to mobilize the community to let Council know what we want, and not to be led by Council's questionable tactics in telling us what we want, whilst misleading us about what we will pay. I've also put up a recent post on the "What do you want to see in our new library?" page." 2012-03-17 12:26:14 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Bill Koutalianos said "I think it's premature to ask the community "What do you want to see in our new library?" before the all important question of "Would you like to pay 6.72% via a Special Rate Variation over 15 years to finance a new library?" Council is putting the cart before the horse. The library cart is also heavily loaded with a voluntary 6 star green energy rating, which will no doubt add a considerable cost burden onto ratepayers. This is on top of the $12 to $14 million interest bill to service the $23 million loan. I want to see greater financial responsibility and transparency from Council and a greater understanding of the global economic challenges that lie ahead for the Australian economy, if we are to avoid the paths of Greece and Spain. Less talk and time wasted in consideration of inefficient, exorbitantly expensive and largely decorative screw type wind turbines sitting on top of the library, would be a good place to start. Such immature distractions indicate a Council culture engaged in frivolity, to the detriment of logic, reason and economics and suggest a complete disrespect for the management of ratepayers monies." 2012-03-17 12:01:48 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-hardest-thing-about-community-engagement-for-local-council-officers comengage said "Louise - the document I was referring to that has a lot of community engagement techniques, how to use them and what are their strengths and weaknesses is in the library 'Engaging Queenslanders" Cheers Lucy" 2012-03-15 18:18:32 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-hardest-thing-about-community-engagement-for-local-council-officers comengage said "Does anyone have photo's from the Master Class I can up load?" 2012-03-15 18:17:36 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation comengage said "Dear Antony Thanks for your comments. Could you please check to make sure that you are only putting in your residential rates amount. This is the amount of rates you pay and does not include the domestic waste charge or stormwater levy. The proposed rate increase only applies to the residential rate amount - not the total annual rate. If you go to: http://www.marrickville.nsw.gov.au/services/rates.html#calculator (the calculator page) there's an example of where to look on your rates notice. Hope this helps. Regards Lucy" 2012-03-15 13:56:43 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation pvsolar said "Very interesting analysis of the survey. I agree with you that this survey is poor quality and likely not to collect meaningful feedback from the community. I agree that it's looks like an advocacy survey for the SRV and not much about using a library. Can I suggest you join the Tempe 2020 and Marrickville 2020 Facebook sites and put your post on this survey there as well. I'm not sure many read this forum yet but it is important that people think about this major project and how it is being conducted. You have pointed out some serious questions about the honesty of this process and it's integrity if not just its poor quality workmanship. More people need to reflect on it. Good on you for taking the time to write up in such detail your analysis which I think is spot on!" 2012-03-15 01:38:08 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Antony said "(Further to my earlier comment) I just used the online calculator, and it would be $1.57 per week for me - and I live in a pretty normal terrace in Marrickville. I am disturbed the survey says the SRV will add $1.05 when that's an average which includes lots of smaller apartments. The survey does not say it's the average, which is pretty misleading. I also note the land value of all properties in Marrickville will be re-valued in the next year or so, which will push the impact of the SRV up. I also find it very hard to believe that the development of an 11,000 sq.m block of land cannot make money, even if 25-30% of the footprint is taken up by the Library, etc. I asked a friend from a large development firm, and he laughed that (1) a library, etc costs over $20m, and (2) that you cannot make at least $10m on developing the rest, even with strict controls." 2012-03-14 15:50:51 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Antony said "I just used the online calculator, and it would be $1.57 per week for me - and I live in a pretty normal terrace in Marrickville. I am disturbed the survey says the SRV will add $1.05 when that's an average which includes lots of smaller apartments. The survey does not say it's the average, which is pretty misleading. I also note the land value of all properties in Marrickville will be re-valued in the next year or so, which will push the impact of the SRV up. I also find it very hard to believe that the development of an 11,000 sq.m block of land cannot make money, even if 25% of the footprint is taken up by the Library, etc. I asked a friend from a large development firm, and he laughed that (1) a library, etc costs over $20m, and (2) that you cannot make at least $10m on developing the rest, even with strict controls." 2012-03-14 14:12:32 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation comengage said "Hi Antony, just wanting to let you know that the rates calculator is now online at this page: http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/newlibrarysite •Try our interactive calculator to see how this would affect your rates" 2012-03-14 13:08:15 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation comengage said "Hi dslawson Thank you for your comments. You have asked that Council provide a response as to why Council is not building the proposed New Library as a joint venture with “a developer sympathetic to the requirements”. Council has modelled over the past few years the likely proceeds from development of the Marrickville Hospital site using a number of reputable property specialists - Michael Collins and Associates, Incoll and Sphere Property. The outcome has varied with the strength of the property market, global financial conditions and the like. Council has previously and continues to be open to public/private partnerships that could yield benefits for the community while managing risks sensibly. Council must, however, look not only at the current needs of its community but to those that will emerge over time. It has recently undertaken a review of community recreation needs, has a review of its community facilities underway, is soon to commence a review of its public spaces and is in the process of systematically reviewing car-parking needs. The outcomes of those reviews will inform a community property strategy. Re-development of the balance of the hospital site will provide funds to respond to the many needs that have and will be identified in these reviews. Last year, Council published its long term financial plan. This is available on our website. It flagged the likelihood that Council would face these competing needs that would require it to re-assess the adequacy of its existing property portfolio over time and that there would likely be a need for a special rate increase to fund major re-developments like the Library. Council does not agree that there exists an “aversion to business”. Marrickville Council’s Economic Development Unit is the most active in the inner west of Sydney. One of Council’s key result areas is a robust economy with flourishing urban centres and a range of creative and other industries. Actually, dslawson, the Local Government Act states that councils must pursue the Charter as follows: “raise funds for local purposes by the fair imposition of rates, charges and fees, by income earned from investments and, when appropriate, by borrowings and grants”. The charter also calls on Councils to: “provide…after due consultation, adequate, equitable and appropriate services and facilities for the community” and “promote and provide and plan for the needs of children” and “engage in long-term strategic planning on behalf of their local community”. Finally, Council set a budget back in 2008 of $18million for the Annette Kellerman Aquatic Centre. That project has never blown out. AKAC was delivered on time and within budget. AKAC was delivered within its $18m budget through very careful tendering and administration processes. Council is proud of having achieved this." 2012-03-14 09:18:50 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Bill Koutalianos said "Breaking news of major stuff up. According to my copy of the two page version of the Council survey, one of the questions is based on an incorrect 3.6% SRV figure which presumably makes most, if not all of the survey responses to that question received thus far, null and void. This is a major stuff up, given that this is one of the few questions which specifically address the Special Rate Variation and the issue of affordability. More information below. I don't see anything wrong with Council advocating for the Library, so it's another curiosity of this project that Council claim they are not advocating for the Library. Council say that the Library will proceed if there is sufficient community support for it. So Council is thus engaged on obtaining community feedback through means such as surveys. So let's take a closer look at their survey. In reviewing the Council's 14 question survey on the new Marrickville Library proposed Special Rate Variation, I am staggered by the irrelevance of most of the questions and the inaccuracies and errors within the few questions which are relevant. Out of the 14 questions in the survey, only 3 are relevant specifically to the library and/or the Special Rate Variation. Council's advocacy and bias towards one point of view is apparent in the design of the survey. It is remarkable how a survey on the Library and SRV hardly contains any questions which gauge the community's desire, support or anticipated use of the library. Questions 1 and 2 relate to the status of the respondent and the answers are perhaps useful for survey analysis purposes, but have nothing specific to do with the SRV or library. Questions 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 similarly have nothing specifically to do with the SRV or library and relate to either respondents' feedback on Council itself or questions about infrastructure in general. These questions are all either ambiguous or irrelevant and occupy far too much space in the survey. Questions 8 and 9 can be described as confusing and frustrating. If I'm completing the library/SRV survey and I'm up to question 8 which asks whether I'm aware of the library proposal, how should I answer? The mind boggles. Similarly question 9 asks whether the respondent has provided feedback to the Council, whilst he or she is in the process of doing so. I fail to understand how the confused answers to these confused questions will assist the evaluation process. Most respondents must be getting a little annoyed and impatient by now, just as the relevant survey questions are about to commence. Questions 10, 11 and 12 are the most relevant questions in the entire survey and yet, these key questions contain inaccuracies, biases and errors. Questions 10 is very relevant, but it is not very accurate. The SRV is not $1.02/week for residents and $6.67/week for businesses. Even the word 'average' which is used elsewhere in Council's literature has been dropped here. The proposed rate increase is 6.72% on ratepayers (not necessarily residents) which works out differently for everyone depending upon their property values. So the quoted words and figures are misleading and inaccurate. Question 11 asks " How important it is... that Council is allowed to introduce this special rate rise?" The first four response options of "Critical, Very important, Quite important and Moderately important" leave no doubt about Council's bias in advocating for the project. Fortunately there are the options of "Not important" and "Don't know", for those who are not easily led. Question 12. The first thing to note about question 12 is that there are two versions of it floating around. The first version in the form of two pages stapled together, which presumably applies to some or all of the surveys completed up until now, states an incorrect rate increase figure of 3.6% as opposed to the actual 6.72% rate increase proposal. This means that all the completed responses to this question in surveys based on the incorrect figure, are null and void. That is a major stuff up, given that this is one of the three key questions of the survey. I believe it's instructive, that the one question on affordability, is the one which was stuffed up. Questions 13 and 14 are not really questions as they relate to contact details, feedback and obtaining further information. A major problem with this survey, apart from the mostly irrelevant questions and stuffing up one of the three key questions, are the pertinent questions which it doesn't asked. Questions such as: 1. How strongly do you support the need for a new Marrickville Library to replace the existing one? Strongly support Mildly support Indifferent I do not support 2. Based on your current library use, how often do you think you would use a new Marrickville Library. Hardly ever Perhaps once a year Perhaps once Month Regularly 3. Do you believe it's good value for money that more than a third of the Special Rate Variation monies will be consumed by interest payments on the borrowed money to be used to build the library? Good value Reasonable value Poor value Don't know/don't care 4. How relevant do you believe this library be to you personally, given your existing access to internet, personal computer and smartphone? Substantially relevant Somewhat relevant Somewhat irrelevant Substantially Irrelevant 5. Do you believe the disproportionate amount that business ratepayers are being asked to contribute for the Special Rate Variation for the library, is fair and reasonable? Yes, it's fair that businesses should pay more than everyone else No, it's not fair to impose this extra cost burden on local businesses Don't know/Don't care 6. Do you feel like paying 6.72% on top of normal rate increases for the next 15 years? Yes No Maybe Don't know Don't care as long as someone else pays " 2012-03-13 14:43:01 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Bill Koutalianos said "Hi Lucy or Comengage, After prompting by myself, one of the Council staff at the Council tent at Bairro Portuguese on Sunday, volunteered that the Library interest bill would be in the vicinity of $12 million to $14 million dollars over 15 years. That seems a like great deal of money in the context of the total project cost. One could almost build a smaller library with the interest bill alone. I would have thought such a figure would be relevant to convey to ratepayers in the fact sheets, but apparently Council doesn't think it relevant for ratepayers that more than a third of the Special Rate Variation monies are expended on interest alone. Back onto the energy issue, at the previous Sunday's meeting at Marrickville Library, William had specifically stated that Council were considering that the Library's "energy plant" or "electricity generation system" or the like, may also be used to supply electricity to the adjacent future residential development. This is a far cry from your statement above that there is "no plan for the library to be powered from a power plant built into the library project". I guess these two statements whilst at first glance appear contradictory, could possibly reside next to each other given the fact, that Council has not yet made up its mind. Is that a reasonable interpretation? What I'm getting speaking to various staff and politicians is that there are many different perspectives on the library. William for example didn't seem to initially accept the high level of borrowings involved until I explained to him the SRV was going to commence being collected in the 2013/14 rate year and that the library would be completed by January 2015. Do we have a total floorspace figure for the proposed library, in all 7 fact sheets I can find no reference to that fairly straight forward question. William suggested a figure that was a bit over 3000 sq. metres whereas an Alderman I spoke to on Sunday suggested it was about 4500 sq. meters. Is there an official figure anywhere? It would be nice to try to tie some parts of this library down, as the more I enquire the more loose ends there seem to be. Regards Bill Koutalianos" 2012-03-12 18:36:46 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation comengage said "Hello once again Bill, I believe some of these queries were addressed at the most recent Have a Say Day at the Bairro Portuguese on Sunday that you attended. I want to thank you for being such an enthusiastic and tenacious contributor to the consultation process! You’re correct in stating that one of the Concept Designs for the New Library does include a suggestion for the use of wind turbines. The Green Concept talks about technology that is still in its early stages of development with further feasibility work being necessary. When Council decides which is the preferred design (on 20 March), we can revisit this question, if you like. Bill, there is NO plan for the library to be powered from a “power plant” built into the library project. During the development of the design, which will take place throughout 2012, the specialist services consultants will be required to identify the most economical (both capital cost and ongoing running cost) way to provide the necessary air conditioning for the library. Due to the low demand for heat within the building (unlike the Annette Kellerman Aquatic Centre which has a large demand for heat), it is more than likely that a cogeneration or trigeneration plant will not be viable. The consultant will as part of their further studies look at all options. The Library project is simply not yet at the stage where these exact costings can be supplied to you, Bill. The process is that Council must seek community approval for an SRV before we can go any further ahead with the project. The Library design guidelines to which you refer (People Places - a guide for public libraries in New South Wales) was first published by the State Library in 2005. Council is using the latest version (the pre-publication Edition can be found here: http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/services/public_libraries/committees/network_research/plnrp_current_projects.html ) This is the third edition draft which was released in December 2011 for public comment. Council is very confident that a New Marrickville Library, with all the associated services and benefits to the community, will prove to be just as popular as the new Surry Hills Library, and the new Ryde Library. Many new Libraries report at least a doubling in visitor numbers (Surry Hills: 133%, Ryde: 121%). Marrickville is in a position of needing to make a substantial investments in both new and ageing infrastructure, as identified in the Community Strategic Plan 2021. There are very few municipalities in NSW that receive enough in income or capital grants to finance all their requirements. Some of the advantages of borrowing include: • Allowing the delivery of infrastructure to be accelerated • The benefits of the infrastructure are gained before the costs are fully paid • Sharing the costs with future beneficiaries of that infrastructure • Spreading costs over time through borrowing is more equitable • And actually saving money when the rate of building inflation exceeds the interest rate. Thank you Bill…I look forward to your next post on our forums!" 2012-03-12 16:05:19 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation pvsolar said "I met a parent in the kids play area outside AK pool last Friday who was thrilled at the idea of music education space in the old hospital grond floor as part of the New Libaray. She told me about the Marrickville 2020 facebook group, so I have added a post to it. I would really like to see COMMENGAGE get out there with and seeking fresh ideas for the library, not just on the SRV, and seek for feedback on what the New Library could be, not just use the consultaton for a purpose of seeking the support for an SRV. To me that is subverting the purpose of consultation into a self serving objective of getting the funds to allow council staff to have the work to get on with the project they have not very extensively sought consultation on use and design on. You have rejected the suggestion of a community IDEAs competition in relation the New library, saying you don’t have the money for that! You have $7M already for this project, so how come you can’t afford to ask for more ideas from the community, or to lead with proposals that you can get feedback on ang gague the popularity off? The Survey in the Marrickville Matters is self serving effort and little to do with asking the community what they want from a New Library or looking to serve the community needs. What you could be doing is trying to develop the visin for Marrickville and spending more effort on that. You lead by making suggestions and asking for feedback. At the moment the main suggestion is to raise money by a rate increase and what do people think about that? Poor marks for leadership on culture in my books, sorry! • • MUSIC SPACE for New Library Hi, The latest Marrickville Matters has a lot of space dedicated to the New Library. Council staff want us to give them a $23M rate increase so they can build this 4,500 m2 mega library replacing the current 900 m2 library. I'm all for progress but the consultation on this with the community is being hijacked by the Special Rate Variation topic taking priority over what the community could get in such a new facility. Consultation has not been lead with innovative ideas put forward or asked for from the public very much. I believe there is great potential to incorporate a Music education facility intosome ground floor rooms of the old hospital bulding on Lilydale Street that is to be refurbished. There will be underground car parking for parents to drop off their kids for classes. Performances can take place in the new auditorium in the library. A small stage could be included in the cafe area for informal performances. I am aware that senoir students with the Sydney Conservatorium of Music look for teaching opportunities to gain experience and work, and they are state of the art in music education and contemporary music forms such as ethnic cultural forms of music, not only old nursery rhymes. If you want great facilities for our kids we have to ask for it because the council is not putting forward these ideas for consultation UNLESS we ask for them! Please check out this speech by Richard Gill on the value of Music Education http://tedxsydney.com/site/item.cfm?item=17373783BE511B3C5870DE26F37EE989 It's a brilliant speech to the point here. Also I wrote to the councillors recently An argument for Music space with the New Library Hi community leaders, > > Here's support for an argument that says that in our Marrickville LGA > with a baby boomlet of young urban professional's kids, that setting > up a public accessible music education space with the New Library > using some of the old hospital ward spaces is a better investment than > in minerals or energy mining! > > SMH Sat March 10 > Well Being Index & 'Think Smart is the way ahead -Ross Gittins' > > The nation's well being took a step backward in last quarter of 2011 > due to falling commodity prices causing the biggest drop in national > income since the GFC. > > On the positive side, the nation's well being has received a boost > from evidence that the children of a mini baby "boomlet" in the past > decade have begun to attend school and build their human capital. ... > overall growth in human capital added to the national wellbeing index. > > The former head of Universities Australia, Glenn Withers, welcomed the > surge in kindergarten enrolments. > > "That is great investment in human capital. Improved capabilities at > an early age are for life and pay off handsomely for the country and > the families. In crude economic terms, monies spent in this area have > rates of return higher than mineral investments and spread the > benefits widely." > > The continued expansion of the gap between rich and poor caused > inequality to act as a drag on the wellbeing index. > > Jessica Irvine > Economics writer, The Sydney Morning Herald > > Comment: (It should not only be private school kids who get access to > music education to develop their capabilities in so many ways not just > to play music. It should be available to any kid with the parents > smart enough to use an open facility convenient to their suburb and > set up to be accessible with parking transport etc with a New Library > investment that will return the investment to the community. That is > how to sell the New Library as worth the money as you already know, > and in my way of seeing it. Every parent I've spoken to us totally > thrilled with the idea that music education could be part of a major > project New Library. Don't take my word for it - do a survey on that > idea and find out! Please. > > I'm going to catch up with our local federal MP and see what they'll > do to help this music space aspect happen. > > Regards, > > Peter Erling > info@pvsolar.com.au > Ph:0414895370 " 2012-03-12 13:08:36 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation dslawson said "I am concerned that the council proposal of a rate levee to pay for infrastructure outright shows little commercial acumen. As many similarly concerned ratepayers have pointed out this can be very easily covered by a joint venture with a developer sympathetic to the requirements. This has been done countless times for other civic projects with excellent results for all parties. Surely this is politically motivated by an aversion to business. I would like to hear of a response from the council as to why they would not entertain an option that would cost them (meaning us the ratepayers) nothing and potentially make money. The council has a love of incremental charges as it sits comfortably with their ethics. This is in direct violation of their charter which is to maintain and deliver basic services within their allocated budget. The cost blow out of the Enmore pool is a glaring example of treating us a bottomless pit of funding. On a last note the sudden resignation of the Marrickville mayor, Fiona Byrne claimed it was because she couldn't afford to live here. So where does this belief that we have unlimited household budgets come from?" 2012-03-12 11:00:45 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation comengage said "Hi Newtownian, thanks for adding to the forum posts. Please be assured that the article in Marrickville Matters was not meant to insult people who can afford iPads and expensive coffees! It was pointing out that the New Library will be a place where EVERYONE can access free technology, art and craft, DVD rentals, newspapers and magazines, etc etc – no matter what their income or their preferred brew. As the article goes on to say: “Libraries diminish the information gap between the haves and have-nots in our society.” Council is well aware that the demographics of the inner west are changing and have been changing for some years now. Gentrification and rejuvenation bring many advantages to an area. But Council also wants the Marrickville local government area to be inclusive, and places a high value on the benefits of a diverse society. One of Marrickville Council’s key objectives is making Marrickville a place where all those who live, work and visit feel safe, valued and that they belong. Council believes that the New Library, with its emphasis on offering rich and diverse spaces, programs, activities and services, will be a vibrant community hub that will attract repeat visitors from the local community and beyond." 2012-03-12 10:31:59 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Newtownian said "I've just read the latest Marrickville Matters and take exception to the comment in the story "Speaking Out" that:"for anyone that simply can't afford to sit at a wifi cafe with their iPad while sipping a four dollar soy latte, the public library is a godsend". This is a very lazy comment that seems aimed at precisely the people the council is asking to fund the library, i.e. property owners and businesses. I support the idea of public libraries, but if you want the ratepayers to cough up then please don't insult us. Secondly, I live in Newtown and by some accident of municipal boundaries I am in the Marrickville local area. My closest library is the Newtown library which is run by the city of Sydney and which charges me to use their facilities because I live in a different council area. I am unlikely to ever want to travel to Marrickville just to use the library. Yet, because land values in Newtown are probably higher than others in the LGA, I'll be asked to pay a higher rate of the SRV. A sour irony." 2012-03-11 18:19:44 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Bill Koutalianos said "On the unresolved matter of how to power the Library, the thought of a conventional wind turbine on the corner of Marrickville and Livingstone Roads, at first glance appears ludicrous and on further thought, a considerable safety hazard in such a built up area. At least one of the architectural firms have indicated that wind energy would not be a suitable option, but some Council staff seem to think that wind is still an option. Council staff advise that one of the schemes under consideration proposes an unconventional form of wind turbine. Given the expense and inefficiency of conventional wind turbines, I shudder to think of the expense and inefficiency of what is currently being considered by Council. If the stated purpose of such green energy solutions is to achieve greenhouse gas reductions and recent studies show that the same greenhouse gas reductions can be achieved at about one tenth of the cost with gas co-generation plant, shouldn't that settle the matter? I submit a link to a recent article on a British wind power study: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/billions-blown-away-on-wind-power-says-british-study/story-fn59niix-1226294168155 The article basically states that wind power is an extremely uneconomical way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. It appears that some in Council are either unaware or unconcerned about this, at this stage. Let's also keep in mind that the library and its power plant are essentially going to be built with borrowed money on behalf of the ratepayers. If we start out paying ten times more than necessary for some or all of the energy plant, the prospect of ever repaying that borrowed money will be severely impacted by trying to keep up with the higher interest payments on the exorbitantly high capital cost of the green energy plant. If variable interest rates should rise dramatically, these library borrowings may result in a bankrupt Local Council. That's a high price to pay for a library most ratepayers will never use. I fail to understand how Council can quote figures for the Special Rate Variation, when as far as I can tell, the green energy plant has not been priced into the scheme and there remains potential for such a large cost blowout with its final resolution. If Council is leaning towards an Annette Kellerman Aquatic Centre type cogeneration plant as the main power source, could we please have the appropriate costing or estimate based on Council's recent expenditure? As there is no great urgency in building a library, could Council either resolve its green energy plant plan and cost it as a matter of urgency, or alternatively delay engaging consultants to proceed with the project, until this is done? I understand consultants are to be given the go ahead in three weeks from today. The world has changed a great deal since 1995, when the thought of a new Library first entered the Council's consciousness. Most people did not have a home computer in 1995. Windows 95 was launched on 24th August 1995, ( I just Googled it). Many people would thus argue that a large central library is a redundant utility given the internet revolution. In these changing times, where many of us effectively carry a portable library in our pocket smartphone, we have Council staff admitting to using Library design guidelines which are over a decade old. Perhaps Council's mindset is also behind the times. My thoughts on a Special Rate Variation are overwhelmed by my concerns of Council spending large sums of borrowed money on a project which puts Council and therefore the ratepayers into an uncomfortable exposed financial position. We should be looking at what is happening with austerity measures in places like Greece, where their governments have borrowed too much. Why borrow anything at all, when we already have a library that does an adequate job serving the library going segment of the community, it is hardly something that people across the community are crying out for. One of the key questions we need to ask is whether people will use it, and I note Council's questionnaire does not ask that glaringly obvious question. Is Council afraid of the truth? I am most disturbed at Council's failure to highlight the significant additional financial component of interest costs that ratepayers are up for, over the 15 year repayment period. Perhaps one of Council's questionnaire questions should have been phrased; "Would you like Council to enter into a 15 year mortgage, on your behalf?" Similarly leaving the power plant resolution open ended at this stage, is not being up front with ratepayers about the total project cost. Asking for community feedback when people do not have the full financial picture in terms of borrowings and potential cost blowouts, devalues and disrespects that community feedback. In these volatile economic times unnecessarily putting Council's and thus ratepayer's financial position at risk with excessive borrowings, is reprehensible." 2012-03-10 12:39:39 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation X-Man said " I understand that the original proposal for Marrickville Metro included a new public library at no cost to council and rate payers. As this proposal was rejected by council, Marrickville Metro then revised their plans and successfully won their case in the Land and Environment Court. It disappoints me to read the propaganda on the website stating that the new public library will embrace diversity and sustainability. If you would like to see Marrickville's rich cultural diversity, there is no better example than to visit Metro on a Saturday or any other day of the week. The new Metro development could also have implemented sustainability initiatives such as water recycling for toilet use, PV cells, recycled building materials, bike racks, recycling waste bins, etc. Why are we rate payers now having to pay for the new library? This would have been a brilliant opportunity for council and the Metro to form a partnership and deliver community services and social infrastructure at no cost to rate payers. We will now be paying for the lack of vision from our councillors! " 2012-03-09 10:06:38 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Bill Koutalianos said "Hi Lucy, Thank you for the detailed information in respect of item 1. This is a little more detailed than Fact sheet 4 of the 7 Fact sheets. Could you please clarify whether the “Heritage Building restoration” cost item, is in respect of buildings on the library portion of the site, or whether this relates to heritage buildings on the rest of the hospital site? In any case, please don’t go to any great effort as this is the least of my concerns. I am deeply concerned that your responses to my items 2 and 3 appear to confirm that the green energy plant and 15 year interest bill costs, are not included in the total project cost of $30 million. I understand there is no resolution at this stage, as to how the library will be powered. I have previously requested the total electricity generation plant costs for the Annette Kellerman Aquatic Centre in order to get some guidance as what these costs might be. I trust this is public information, isn’t it? Could you please provide this information, i.e. cost of co-generation plant and associated electricity generation plant? I note you have only previously provided the cost of the solar PV panels, which only contribute a small part of the AKAC power supply. The total green energy power plant figure is important in helping to calculate a more realistic total project cost for the library. Your response to item 3 is at odds with your previous verbal supposition that the total interest bill is included in the $30 million project cost. If the ratepayers will be repaying interest over a 15 year period on a $23 million loan at an interest rate of say 7%, that adds up to more than $12 million dollars. So the total project cost including interest is in the vicinity $42 million, plus the cost of the green energy plant and the interest payments thereon. Council’s $7 million contribution is beginning to look quite insignificant if the ratepayers are actually repaying around $35 million plus. This is concerning because ratepayers are being asked to fill in surveys and provide their opinions based on a total project cost of $30 million, when the total project cost looks closer to $45 million. Ratepayers are being told they will need to repay $23 million, when they will indeed be required to pay in excess of $35 million. In all of Council’s 7 fact sheets there is no mention of these two major cost items which add close to 50 % extra to the quoted total project cost and well over 50% extra in terms of what ratepayers will have to repay. This perhaps explains why William was not forthcoming with a total project cost at last Sunday’s meeting. If Council is not being transparent about the additional cost of interest payments and green energy plant, this suggests the quoted $1.02 per week average cost to ratepayers and $6.67 per week average cost to business ratepayers is also incorrect. We already have enough empty shopfronts in the Marrickville area, and I would not like to see any increase in boarded-up and empty shopfronts, so that we can have a dazzling new library. On an architectural note, can you please explain why all the library schemes all have large expanses of two storey glass when a 6 star green energy rating requires glazing to be kept to a minimum? I understand this contradiction can be overcome by the use of high tech exorbitantly expensive glass. It seems this is in keeping with Council’s apparent intent to provide an exorbitantly expensive library. I urge Council not to engage consultants to further develop the project, until these matters are clarified. Thank you for continuing to address my concerns. Regards Bill Koutalianos " 2012-03-09 08:10:41 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation comengage said "Dear Bill Below are the answers to your questions. Hope this helps. 1. These figures have been made publically available since last year. As you can see the new building will cost about $10 million, the restoration of the heritage part of the library about $2.9 million and the entire internal fit out of the new building around $4.4 million. Site Preparation / Demolition Works: $2,214,022 Basement Carpark: $5,535,055 New Building: $9,963,100 Heritage Building restoration: $2,878,229 Library Fitout: $4,428,044 Total Cost of Library: $25,018,450 Forecourt/Green space: $4,981,550 Total Library project cost: $30,000,000 2. As we are yet to appoint an architect, we are not far enough into the process to know what plant and equipment will be used in the final building. This will be developed as the building and fit out designs are progressed and will be made available to the public as they are developed. The information will be put up on the library consultation pages, but if you’d like me to email updates as they happen, just let me know and I’ll add you to our email contact list. 3. The $30m refers to the capital cost of the library building and all associated works as shown above. If there is public support for a SRV then Council will put $7m toward the project and borrow $23m. The proceeds from the SRV will repay the $23m loan (plus interest) over 15 years at whatever the prevailing interest rate is at the time the loan is negotiated. Regards Lucy Sharman Coordinator, Communications and Engagement" 2012-03-08 17:00:44 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Bill Koutalianos said "Hi Lucy, Thank you for your response and I appreciate those explanations, but my main focus is to try evaluate the capital costs in respect of the library project in the three major cost categories under the headings: 1. Library construction and fitout cost. 2. Energy plant to library and adjacent site if applicable (I understand this has not been finalized, but are there any budget allowances include in the project cost or not?) 3. Total budgeted interest bill (over a 15 year repayment period the interest on a $15 million loan at current mortgage rates would be about $8 million. Is this how the $23 million shortfall is arrived at?) These are fairly large price tag items which as far as I can tell, have not been disclosed to the public. The other key question on which you have only speculated, was whether the total 15 year interest bill and the unresolved green energy proposal to power the library are included in Council’s quoted total project figures or not. I’m happy for the Council to connect to the conventional grid, but apparently that’s not the way Council wants to power the library. If we are creating a mini on-site green power station that’s certainly a significant cost factor. Council has already provided a break-up of the forecourt/park cost at $5 million and the remedial works to the old hospital site at $2.2 million, but these smaller costs are inconsequential when compared to the likely interest bill and perhaps the energy plant component as well. I was hoping to use the capital cost of the Annette Kerman Aquatic Centre co-generation power supply as a guide. Is this figure available? Obviously the solar PV panels play only a small part in the electricity supply to the AKA Centre. My concern is that if around half of the $23 million that ratepayers are funding is going towards interest payments and green energy plant, the proposal is not good value for money, and should perhaps be postponed until Council is in a better financial position. Awaiting your further clarification. Regards Bill Koutalianos " 2012-03-08 12:34:46 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation comengage said "Hi Bill I emailed the answers to you directly - but in case others are interested in the response here it is!. Cheers Lucy Sharman "Dear Bill Thanks for your phone call the other day. Please find below the responses to your questions both about the interest payments on the new library and information on the Annette Kellerman Aquatic Centre. What are the capital costs of ‘green’ aspects of the new aquatic centre? The Building Code of Australia requires new buildings such as the aquatic centre to meet strict requirements set out in Section J. Those requirements include; double glazing, energy efficient air conditioning including heating, water minimisation, waste reduction etc etc. Those items are required to achieve compliance. Council installed a 30kW solar array at a cost of approx $140k and installed additional rain water tanks for a cost of approx $60k. Both were not required by Section J and could be considered as extra over “green initiatives”. Both were included to reduce the amount of electricity imported from the “grid” and the amount of water imported from the “Sydney water mains”. As a consequence, both of these initiatives are reducing the cost of electricity and water imported into the building which is assisting Council to run the centre with minimal costs to the ratepayers. In the case of the reductions in electricity generated by the solar array, Council will also pay less Carbon Tax due to the solar electricity generated on site. With regard to electricity generated by the cogeneration unit, Council is running the system so that electricity exported to the grid equals the electricity imported so that power bills are reduced thereby saving additional costs in running the Centre. Does the $30 million price tag for the new library include interest repayments? The rates revenue needs to cover both principal repayments and interest over the life of the loan – 6.72% or $1 per week for the average ratepayer will do just that. The interest rate that Council ultimately pays will be determined by the market if or when Council requests loan funds. Council asks for a minimum of three banks to quote their best rate in order to get the best rate available. I hope this helps. Regards " 2012-03-08 11:53:42 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Bill Koutalianos said "I'm still waiting for some answers. I repeat, what component of the $23 million is due to interest payments on borrowed money and what component is due to green energy electricity generation infrastructure. If these as yet undisclosed costs are almost equal to, or in the vicinity of the cost of the library itself, this is poor value for money for ratepayers. If a $30 million library actually turns out to be closer to a $10 million library, this will have been a gross misrepresentation to the ratepayers." 2012-03-08 10:02:10 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Bill Koutalianos said "I do not support the Special Rate Variation, until I can get more information which I have requested from Council. My first immediate concern is the total interest bill allowance for the financing of the borrowed money to construct the Library by January 2015. My second concern in the absence of a clear plan as to how to power the Library, is to at least obtain some cost figures of the green energy component that went into the Annette Kellerman Aquatic Centre. This could be used as a guide as to what we might expect for the Library. If Council has a clearer cost perspective on what is proposed, I'm all ears. Whereas any normal project simply connects to the electricity grid on completion, this project based on Council's climate change and sustainability policies and beliefs will undoubtedly include a significant element of its own electricity generation capability. So the ratepayers are in fact being asked to finance a mini power station that according to Council staff, may also include the servicing of the adjacent lands earmarked for future residential development. I understand a cogeneration plant similar to the Annette Kellerman has at least been considered. The various architectural designs include solar PV rooftop panels and in some cases wind turbines which at least one architect has deemed unsuitable. If the architects are disputing the methods by which the building is to be powered, this may be a sign of a poor briefing by Council. In discussions with Council staff so far, it is clear the issue of providing electricity has not been finalized. If it has not been finalized how can it be priced into the budget? How can Council apply for a SRV if we don't have a final costing? In the case of both the interest bill and the green energy bill, I can only speculate as to whether the costs are included or excluded from the $30 million figure which has been nominated. I would not support a Special Rate Variation without further clarification of these significant costs. If the interest bill and green energy components are approaching the total building cost of the library itself, this is not good value for money and I would rather wait until Council catches up with the latest in the Earth's temperature, sea and ice level data. They're website page on climate change seems quite outdated given the latest scientific data and this lack of due dilligence may prove very costly for ratepayers." 2012-03-06 12:33:23 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation comengage said "Thank you X-Man - I agree and will make those changes as they come to my attention." 2012-02-29 11:38:52 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation X-Man said "Thanks for clarifying this Comengage. To avoid any misunderstanding and correctly inform the community, I think it will be a good idea to update all your communications, advising that the weekly $1 SRV, will apply to all rate payers not residents. Cheers, X-Man. " 2012-02-29 11:00:08 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation comengage said "Hi X-Man, If the SRV was to go ahead, then residents who are ratepayers would find their rates would go up by (the average of about) $1 per week, regardless of how many people live in the property. So no, a rate-paying family of two parents and two kids would not pay $4 extra per week. They would pay $1 extra per week for the 15 year period that the SRV would apply. This extra charge would show up on their rates notice, and the ratepayer would pay the extra in the usual way either annually or quarterly. While it is true that all residents would benefit equally from the privileges and benefits of the New Library, Council has no capacity to collect a charge from people who rent their dwelling. Neither could the Library charge users, as the Library Act of 1939 makes it illegal for libraries to charge for core services such as borrowing materials. It could also be argued that property owners and landlords will benefit financially from the New Library, as it will enhance the amenity of the surrounding area. I hope this has answered your questions." 2012-02-29 10:13:16 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation comengage said "Hi X-Man, All documents that are not confidential, or would disadvantage Council in any future negotiations with developers, have been made public. This information can be found in various Council papers and reports, some of which can be found on this site (Your Say... Proposed Special Rate Variation). Click on “more…” under the Fact Sheets. These include: • Draft Accommodation Schedule (10 MB) • Council meeting - December 2010 (7 MB) • Council meeting - July 2011 (14 MB) • Council meeting - February 2011 (9 MB) The financial modelling that has been done covers the whole Marrickville hospital site and would reveal commercial information that would disadvantage Council in any future negotiations with developers if released. X-Man, if there are specific questions you would like to have answered, please let us know and we will do our best to provide answers. " 2012-02-29 09:19:07 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation X-Man said "Hi Comengage, Appreciate if you could make public any feasibility studies, reports, forecasts, cost-benefit analysis, financial modelling, etc prepared by Marrickville Council explaining and demonstrating the reasons why SRVs are "the only option open to Marrickville Council to pay for the New Library". Many thanks, X-Man" 2012-02-28 14:06:37 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation X-Man said " Prior to forming my position on the SRV, I would like to understand how the Council is proposing to apply and enforce the rate of $1 per week for residents. If for example, there is a family of 2 parents + 2 kids, would the family have to pay $4 per week? Does the rate apply to residents renting their property or only to current rate payers? I believe that if all residents are to enjoy the many privileges and benefits of the new library, all residents should equally contribute to the SRV, regardless if they are property owners or renters. " 2012-02-28 13:52:53 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation comengage said "Hi again PVSolar, and thank you for the link to TEDx - we will have a look at it. Marrickville Council agrees that there is a need for music education, as well as local opportunities for other arts education. This was established through the cultural policy research process and is something that Council is strategically working towards. However at this stage we are looking more broadly than just the NML site. The current accommodation schedule for the NML does include an auditorium, exhibition space, 'workshop' space and a number of multi-function rooms. These are intended for community / arts and cultural programs. Your feedback will be used as part of the consultation process. Thanks for taking the time to participate in this important project. " 2012-02-22 09:46:23 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Philip Sydenham said "Thank you for correcting me." 2012-02-21 14:09:55 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation comengage said "Philip I will just add at this point that in the last 12 years Marrickville Council has applied for two special rate variations: In 2000/01 Council levied a five per cent special rate variation over five years for infrastructure renewal and upgrade. At the end of this period, rates reduced by the five per cent levy amount. This levy no longer applies. And in 2005/06 the Aquatics Levy SRV paid for the new Annette Kellerman Aquatic Centre and the refurbishment of the Fanny Durack Aquatic Centre. This levy will end in 2020/21." 2012-02-21 13:25:59 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Philip Sydenham said "It is my understanding the Council bought the hospital site (at a price under vauation) with the specific plan of using the site, amongst other things, to build the sorely-needed central library. To use the income generated from the remainder of the site for purposes other than developing a library is equitable, but only once the costs of the library have been met. To leave the site a derelict eyesore for as long as it has been, was a woeful and expensive misuse of ratepayers' money. Our LGA is adequately provided with passive and active recreation facilities for its current needs. Some of these facilities - I can identify Marrickville Park, Henson Park, and the small reserve in Petersham Road as cases in point - are severely under-utilised. There is no doubt that as the population density of Marrickville increases (as it should do), more facilities will need to be aquired and developed. I have no doubt that these will be developed in time, as funds allow. No SRV was sought for the redevelopment of Annette Kellerman, a facility which is used by a far smaller cohort of the community than would be the cohort using the library service, if the central library were adequate. To impose a levy upon ratepayers for the provision of a supposedly free public library is quite simply inequitable. Local Government in Victoria may not be subject to rate-pegging, but the state government there, not long ago suspended democracy, and forced all LGAs into amalgamations, which the citizenry had voted against many times. We wouldn't want such an intervention to be precipitated in NSW by the actions of a rogue council imposing an unneccessary and unjust SRV. Thank you for considering the points I have raised, and for your reply. I stand by, and will continue to fight for the principle, that public libraries should be free. (I also point out, that for the small sum of $14.00 ($7.00 for pensioners) per year, Marrickville ratepayers can buy the privilege of unrestricted use of Sydney City Council's vastly superior range of library services. Perhaps some consideration should be given to the establishment of a Sydney-Marrickville Regional Library?) " 2012-02-21 13:09:16 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation comengage said "Hi Philip, thank you for your feedback. Theoretically, Council could re-develop the balance of the Marrickville hospital site with a view to applying the proceeds toward building the New Library. The likely interest cost on a bridging loan facility would be approximately $2.4m pa over a number of years as the site was being re-developed. However, taking such an approach would leave Council with little or no cash reserves to undertake any future acquisitions of land or buildings to meet emerging community needs, as well as having to repay the $2.4m in the meantime – and this would impact on other Council services. Council has just completed a Recreation Needs Study across the LGA. This includes a review of the 38+ Council community facilities, and where and what facilities are required to meet future community needs. Council expects these reviews to identify a large demand for new property acquisitions, refurbishments, or re-developments of its property portfolio. Proceeds from re-development of the Marrickville Hospital site will provide future Councils with funds to begin to meet those needs. Applying a Special Rate Variation to pay for the Library does shift the cost burden to members of the Marrickville community over the next 15 years. Some academics describe this as a process of creating inter-generational equity ie. those that gain the benefit from the facility actually contribute toward it. As your email correctly points out, that burden rests on future ratepayers whether they use the library or not. This is true of a great many Council services that are funded by Marrickville citizens who don’t use the service themselves – that’s part of being a member of a community. Part of the reason an SRV is neccessary to fund the building of the New Library is because of years and years of rate-pegging by the State Government. Victorian Councils are not subject to rate-pegging. Council must make many judgements in administering the limited funds it has to optimise benefits to the community. Your email raises very legitimate points about the value judgements that our elected representative make on a day to day basis on how to apply those funds. Thank you for taking the time to write to Council about the proposed SRV for the New Library." 2012-02-21 10:59:18 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation pvsolar said "Orrw, darn it, I think I put this comment in the wrong place. It was meant as a follow on from a previous discussion and reply from Comengage. Sorry if I am messing up this comments space! Ooopps.. here is what I meant to ask; Hey Comengage, yeah I guess I would like to be a member of the Council's Citizens Panel. Is this sufficient contact to you to make the request? I don't know you outside of cyberspace yet, do I? Regards, Peter peter@pvsolar.com.au " 2012-02-21 01:21:32 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation pvsolar said "Hey Comengage, yeah I guess I would like to be a member of the Council's Citizens Panel. Is this sufficient contact to you to make the request? I don't know you outside of cyberspace yet, do I? Regards, Peter peter@pvsolar.com.au" 2012-02-21 01:18:48 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation pvsolar said "More interesting possibilities for a New Library and cultural precinct before/after the political, pre-election question of an SRV... Here is the link to Richard Gill’s speech to TEDx. http://tedxsydney.com/site/item.cfm?item=17373783BE511B3C5870DE26F37EE989 Because it appears that the New Marrickville Library is one of the major cultural investments this decade for the community, it seems somehow amiss that consultation is not also highly focused on the community's existing cultural elements and people and what they consider is the future and current opportunities with such a facility. It would be good to get expert feedback, as well as wider general public support on an SRV as a political question, and also the general ideas of what a library can be for various people and their interests. I can’t really be doing this in my own time very much. I tried to generate interest via the Inner West Courier about a music space concept, but council could be more successful at that and also advertise for cultural input, as well as the community feedback it seeks now on SRV’s. If you revisit the cultural policy for the LGA and also the submission to the federal govt you wrote, that says that development of cultural assets is a priority, and places and spaces for this. You could draft a letter to the current education minister Peter Garrett who himself is a musician I am told enjoyed a well supported musical education when younger that served him well into his life trajectory. His government, if shown input from experts like Richard Gill in the planning for Marrickville New Library and music space associated to it, may support it as a great example of what can be an important resource for talent development and performance to the community, perhaps in parallel and as an adjunct to state education facilities. I’d like to be reading about these ideas coming out of the cultural corner of the council as ideas and possibilities tied to a real and emerging, high social value and economic value, expensive civic project like the New Library. I think it is one of the major cultural show piece investments and if it can serve part of a fundamental level of an art like music, which is a universal language to all diverse groups, and then it seems to fit with the nature of Marrickville. Also there are a very high proportion of young professional families with young children in our LGA who will use a service for education skill development and a well designed facility for their kids with parking and safe transport links. Talented people in music could be attracted to a facility if it offered them something like workshop space and performance spaces and places for tuition, rehearsal or learning. I hope it makes sense and it is beyond my meager ability and resources to hope to make these things happen before designs are fixed and things are built that may be found to be inadequate and limiting. I know that Annette Kellerman pool could have been better as a swimmer and user of many pools, especially when I have traveled overseas. It seems to have been not designed by swimmers very much, but it’s also not too bad, and hey it looks nice, and fancy for a pool, and expensive too, when really it is a utility and is used mostly as such by most people. Personally if the weather is good I much prefer the Victoria park pool as a beautiful and healthy outdoor pool set in a park, with outdoor shower options and grass to sit on and many things good there that could have been considered as a model if more swimmers had been consulted than perhaps just the general populace. Good consultation I think can also lead people on various ideas and what they think about them, but great ideas frequently come from unique and talented people who know about special or particular areas and can help form up the way to ask for wider consensus on what to do that will work best for most, or leads in directions that are good for the community in the wider or future picture. Annette Kellerman helps people keep healthy and that’s probably the driving theme that should have and probably did develop it. A new library also can have a number of key themes and purposes and there can also be a choice of which of these would be best to emphasize so we get a unique and special place that does reflect our values, opportunities and aspirations. From what Richard Gill says, you can’t go wrong with developing kids brains and abilities and interests in collaboration and doing things apart from the current electronic and communications age we are in now with all its implications positive and not so positive for kids to be swept along in, and exploited by, if they can’t find better things, of more value to themselves to be doing. I find it hard to find music education accessible to my kids in this LGA! Regards, PVSolar " 2012-02-21 01:08:17 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Philip Sydenham said "Marrickville Council has gotten away with providing good library services from inadequate buildings for as long as there have been public libraries in the municipality. There is absolutely no reason that ratepayers should have to bear the cost of construction of a new central library in the form of a levy on their rates. The cost will be more than covered by revenues raised from the redevelopment of the remainder of the hospital site. Council has sufficient assets to take out a "bridging" loan. There are examples, in Victoria, of construction of a library building at the developer's expense being made a condition of obtaining planning approval. The proposal of an SRV makes a mockery of the concept of free public libraries. What it proposes is an annual fee of perhaps $52 dollars per family, for the use of the library, whether they actually use it or not. If council is so cash-strapped to be unable to provide baseline library services, there is always the Andrew Carnegie Foundation." 2012-02-16 17:02:07 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation pvsolar said "Thanks for the reply. Are you really saying that "if the community does not want to pay the SRV, then the New Library project will not go ahead"? That sounds a bit over the top surely? Isn't this supposed to be about building for the community and what it wants and what the next 30 years should be looking like? Destination 2036 and all that? There's $7M in councils funds now for the project right? That's about 25% of what this current concept and current project team management is looking for. How come there was not adequate financial planning to have prepared for more, and such an ambitious project that council needs to go out and ask for $23M? It already indicates poor planning and over the top thinking about what is acheiveable. There is a 'reality inbalance' and it's showing very much. It is almost a threat to say that 'the SRV has to go through or no New Library folks'! I we were in the middle of a global financial instability, then the community and council as a responsible organisation would be saying, like most families and developers are saying, "look we need to work within our means here". Sure let's not give up on our aspirations and dreams, but let's take it a step at a time. Let's build the ground work first. Let us get a really great definition of what the public wants, then if we can build some of it, let's do that. We could demolish the wrong stuff on site now, refurbish the old hospital heritage buldings and put them into use. We could perhaps build the underground parking and start using this for the benefit of the public ASAP and if they park more than 2 hours, they pay and make revenue for the New Library. Maybe we could landscape the new garden / Park in front and even establish a cafe to provide refeshment and income and also display information about how the next stages of the bigger development on the site for the New Library will look like and how it will provide for us what we want and need and aspire too. And build this when we can afford it and we understand it properly. Perhaps we can take our clearly defined plan and design to a developer and say, you build this for us and in return you can develop the remaining hospital land and pay for all of it and still make a profit for yourself. No cost to us! No SRV even. If this consultation process now is as you say is mostly about getting an SRV up or nothing, then this a flawed attempt at consultation, and it is very wrong, and is more like an attempt to ram a project through via one approach to funding it. But the site will still be there so if and when this 'SRV or nothing' consultation fails as it probably should, (and now I thnk it really should be scrapped and lets start over) there will still be the site and the aspiration to build a better new library. So there is no need to worry, we just need to be patient and take time to get what we want and can afford, but still be aspirational about it. Thanks again for giving the opportunity to be open and say what the discussion brings up in reponses. It really helps open up and understand the advocates for this project at the council and how they are thinking. Perhaps the overall common sense thing now is, slow it down, take more time. After all we already have a libray and I don't see the cue of people at the door who can't get in and use it already.... " 2012-02-08 11:52:39 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation pvsolar said "Hi Comengage, Thanks for the reply. Hey nice spin on the comment about the small heated pool. You can say it "is too poular" as an answer to my point that it was not designed large enough to cater for the demands of the community and hence that the consulation for this didn't get this demographic need right. I believe other public pools I have seen have much larger play areas for the young. Anyway, too late now. Also, for $18M there isn't one parking space provided for parents with kids to unload and load out of the weather. Surely an underground car park could have been put in below the pools at that cost? You can do a NPV calculation and say that $18M is now worth $22M but that's also just financial analysis right. All money devalues by about 7% annually. Anyway, to build it now, it would probably be a different design based on one year in and how it's working. Looking forward to seeing the report from council on how the pool is stacking up financially and also what do people think about it after one year of using it. I'm not against the pool, I use it, and my kids get sick if I let them use the program pool because its too crowded and too hot and probably full of live bacteria, but and it's all nice and very pretty to look at, but its just a pool and how come it cost so much? Has more been spent on it since opening fixing up design faults? I know there has been. So is $18M the all up cost now? Potentially the New Library could be headed the same way where its an achitectural showpiece for the creators, but it may cost the community a bomb and may not end up being all it could be. The AKAC isn't all it could have been, and you admit by saying "the program pool is too popular" which is spin and a nice try to cover up for design error. What you may mean is 'could have been better'. Lets be fair dinkum and really, thanks for the opportunity to be open here." 2012-02-08 11:13:45 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation comengage said "Thanks for taking the time to read the comments on the forum and give us your ideas and suggestions. I have been in touch with the forum moderator who says unfortunately they are unable to modify, reposition or edit comments. Feel free to repeat your reply again after the relevant comment from Pvsolar. The estimate for the cost of building AKAC today is now $22million. AKAC was delivered within its $18m budget through very careful tendering and administration processes. Council is proud of having achieved this. The features of AKAC were decided after extensive consultation with the local community. This consultation took place between 2004 and 2008 and meant significant changes were made to the Aquatic Centres projects. AKAC is the result of that consultation. It’s true there is high demand on the Program Pool with its multiple functions and warmer water. The Pool administrators go to great lengths to try and achieve a balance in the programming of activities in the various pools. To say one of the pools is too popular is not a bad thing, surely? Council is very keen to hear from as many members of the community as possible about the New Library project, so thank you for feedback. " 2012-02-08 09:51:15 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation comengage said "Hi Jarrah, New council-wide planning controls have been approved for Marrickville that will provide for around 4,000 new homes and 1,100 new jobs. The Marrickville Local Environmental Plan 2011 has several aims, one of which is to increase residential and employment densities in appropriate locations near public transport while protecting residential amenity. So Jarrah, yes, Marrickville Council is actively encouraging greater population densities in suitable locations. For more information about the LEP and the Marrickville Development Control Plan 2011 (DCP 2011) go to Council’s homepage and click on ‘Planning and Development’. Thank for taking the time to contact us." 2012-02-08 09:43:42 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation comengage said "Hello PV Solar, First of all, I want you to know that Marrickville Council VERY MUCH appreciates your input, ideas, and feedback on this project. If you would like to become a member of Council’s Citizen Panel please contact me. The preliminary consultation that is now complete relates to the Marrickville local community’s desire for a New Library, and if we do go ahead and build a new Library, just what kind of building it will be and the services it will provide. That first round of consultations did reveal that the local community is very keen for a new Library. See the Fact Sheet, What we’ve heard you say so far (http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/newlibrarysite) The current round of consultations are about the community’s willingness to pay the special rate variation. (see the Fact Sheets, Funding the New Library and Fact Sheet: Rates and the New Library). If the community does not want to pay the SRV, then the New Library project will not go ahead. We are consulting through many more ways than this website and feedback page. Consultations include community workshops, ‘Have a Say’ days (next one is at Steel Park after Clean Up Australia Day on 4 March), presentations to community consultative committees, online forums, advertising in the local papers and through electronic and paper surveys. The designs are preliminary but you can access more detail at the Libraries and the Citizens’ Service Centre. As for information about parking, traffic and heritage buildings, please see the Fact Sheets (Traffic and Parking, and Project History). Be assured that Council has indeed explored ways to make this a revenue generating project. For more information about please see the reply to RL at the top of this page. I hope this has allayed some of your concerns. I urge you to complete the surveys on the New Marrickville Library - Concept Designs, and Special Rate Variation (http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/newlibrarysite) Thank you" 2012-02-08 09:30:10 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation comengage said "Hi MSO, thanks for your feedback. I thought you might like to have some of your queries addressed. We think it’s probably more appropriate to compare the New Library project to the Annette Kellerman Aquatic Centre, rather than the Australian Government's Building the Education Revolution (BER) economic stimulus program. For example, the New Library will involve Marrickville Council doing business with one architect and one builder, rather than hundreds of companies scattered all over the country. AKAC was delivered within the $18m budget. While the project did run a little over time (about two months), this was entirely due to weather. Council was careful to take the precaution of allocating inclement weather delay clauses into the contract with the builder. As well, any delays caused by natural disasters (however unlikely) would be covered by insurance. As to why the SRV is based on land valuations, legally this is the only way rates can be calculated. The SRV is a type of rates. The majority of ratepayers (65%) will actually pay around a dollar a week or less. " 2012-02-08 09:09:44 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Jarrah said "Will the council encourage more people to live in Marrickville in order to reduce the amount or duration per household?" 2012-02-06 03:22:05 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation pvsolar said "THIS COMMENT is meant to follow Pvsolar's 1st say. Sorry MSO! But good comments MSO. Please move me... YES... apart from the typos I agree with what I said but you get it I'm sure. While I'm a fan and admire the $18M new pool we are paying for for the rest of the decade, I'm not sure it should have cost that much either. Maybe some of it is too high end for what is really a utility to the community. It's beautiful for sure but should it have had to cost $18M? Has someone gone and spent our money like there's no constraint and got a you beaut pool, yeah, but with a poor control on what's really the right value outcome for us? I reckon outdoor pools are way healthier anyway and maybe a combo of both indoor and outdoor could have been nice. And look! You've got masses of kids cramming into the hydro therapy pool and much much less use of the 50M pool. Right there!!! is evidence that whatever consultation and research was done for that $18M exercise wasn't that sharp! So I urge more attention to the Destinations 2036 approach, so we don't look back and think, what were they thinking back then when they had the chance to get this so much better." 2012-02-03 01:51:07 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation pvsolar said "I'd very much like to contribute my creative ideas and experience from 50 years living in Sydney and some years in the UK and Northern Europe. I'm very concerned at this SRV approach to raising funds for such a project as this. I feel inadequate consultation has occurred to date and that very few people know what this project is all about. You have 4 comments so far on this site and this will be the 5th yet it says preliminary public consultation is now complete? I can't even access the designs, just some conceptual pictures at macro level that tell me very little about any detail of the thinking behind use of spaces. Nothing about the car park design or traffic scheme, nothing about the heritage buildings on site and how these will be treated or reused. I'm sorry but there's no way I believe there is anywhere close to enough information available to anywhere near justify handing $23M to a project so poorly defined to us as the owners of what will be built that we don't even know enough about. I'd like to give my input on many aspects of this proposal as a professional and rate payer and most of all I'd like to help implementva really deep and comprehensive consultation along the lines I have written about to councillors this past week. I think project can be 'sold' to the community (and with a lower price tag or certainly a stronger sense of value for money) with the right approach to defining it properly based on deep and wide ranging consultation that also explores ways to make this a revenue generating project in appropriate and compatible ways that enhance the facilities and make them valuable for all of us. What is fair is that I provide this effort which will be considerable and take many months to accomplish not purely voluntarily. I would volunteer my passion and enthusiasm and creativity, and strive to make this project work as a shining example of application of Destination 2036 strategic planning and collaboration. At the moment frankly I don't see much of that iniative in action yet in a way that convinces me that I would be satisfied to ask myself or any other rate payer to agree to give this project the keys to a $30M splurge. I seriously doubt there is any library of the scale we are looking at that has cost even a third of what this project is asking for! No, for the scale and cost proposed here I think council and the community can well afford and should afford to get some sensible, questioning and innovative thinkers on board to help solve this complex issue, and to help come up with very based evidenced based, and thoroughly research consultative based designs that can then be really tested by the community through very thorough explanation of how it will work, why it will work and who, why and how they will benefit. Don't rush this through now guys. It's a tough time to be asking for such funding approval and there is very good reason I think to say 'we need to know a lot more' before we can give this a stamp of approval. Flashy architect sketches are exciting but you can build the wrong thing and never be happy with it, be disappointed and nit be able afford or get support for the cost of fixing up what more time, care and patience could have got better outcomes. It's a fabulous, once in a generation opportunity and I'd to be part of getting it right and that means fantastic valve fir the investment. I can't see that here, yet, but please let me help you get there by more and wider consutation driven by informed and creative thinking with an eye to value for all concerned. Sincerely, " 2012-02-03 01:18:36 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation MSO said "Firstly Marrickville does an average job, not exceptional. The concern I have in this particular case is primarily the project management - are they able to keep the project on time and within cost. In the commercial environment we now live in, there is no reason to except extensions to either - not including natural (environmental) catastrophies. Secondly, baseing the SRV on land valuation is unacceptable, does this mean that residents will be on a preferential sliding scale - more paid, more access? MCC are requesting $23m: Pop 23,000 (2006) x $1/wk x 52wk x 15 yr = $17.9m Bus 1000 (Estimate) x $6.70/wk x 5wk2 x 15yr = $5.2m This is already more than $23m so why would they charge anyone more than $1 Hopefully this project is not like the BER where the quotes/costs were 10-100% more due to being managed by government agencies." 2012-02-02 17:27:59 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation comengage said "Hi RL, As you mention, the current plan is that the New Library will take up only one part of the former Marrickville Hospital site, and this frees up the majority of the site for commercial and residential development (including affordable accommodation). However, this is not a complete solution for funding the New Marrickville Library. Council has conducted exhaustive economic modelling to try and recoup the costs of constructing the New Library. This included exploring potential joint projects with commercial / private developers. Council invited Expressions of Interest for the development of the site as far back as 1996. This process was discontinued for several reasons including lack of competition. Since then, feasibility studies have shown that the expected residential yield from the development of the Hospital site could never entirely pay for the New Library project without leaving the Council with no property reserves to pay for delivering other community facilities in the future. The reality is that after years and years of rate-pegging, the only way most Councils can pay for large infrastructure projects is through SRVs. Certainly it’s the only option open to Marrickville Council to pay for the New Library. It’s very important that residents like yourself let Marrickville Council know if the local community is willing to pay the temporary rate rise so as to achieve the New Library. Thank you for your feedback. " 2012-02-01 12:38:23 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation comengage said "Hi Antony, thank you for taking time to give Council your feedback. In answer to your query, the average of $1 per week relates to a property with a land value of around $340,000. Approximately 65% of properties would be impacted by $1 per week or less. The balance would pay more than $1 per week. We are currently finalising an online rates calculator that will allow you to see how the increase would impact on you. We will let you know when this is available. On a land value of $400,000 you’d pay around $1.20 per week. Again, thanks for your comments. " 2012-02-01 11:25:23 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation Antony said "I agree with much of what 'Rlwaters' says. I am concerned the potential value of the site may not be realised and the additional rates will be levied as an easy option. Could someone from Council please explain where the figure of 'about $1 per week' came from? I have been told it's based on a land value of $220,000. Houses in the part of Marrickville I live in would easily have land values over $400,000. Doesn't that mean it'll be more than $2 per week? I am worried that the impact of the potential levy is being hidden, and would much prefer the scale of the levy was more transparently presented. Otherwise it's just spin. Note - A new fixed charge of more than $100 per year will have an impact on family budgets, and would be equivalent to an interest rate rise of about 0.1%. Might not sound like much, but every $ counts." 2012-01-31 11:19:09 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation australiana said "Marrickville rates are actually quite modest in relation to the large range of services and public works that the Council provides. The proposed small rate increase, that spreads the financial load over an extended period, seems eminently fair, reasonable and equitable. The new library is likely to be a hugely used and highly valued community resource. We should all get behind this visionary project and not let the small financial burden stand in the way." 2012-01-29 01:27:18 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-are-your-thoughts-about-the-proposed-special-rate-variation rlwalters said "While I'm not against an SRV, I think council should look at some other creative commercial options. You discuss selling off other land in the old hospital site which is certainly worth considering, but there are other options such as partnering with a developer to develop the new library as well as commercial buildings on the site. This sort of thing could provide additional revenue from sale or lease of buildings or space. There is great value locked up in the old hospital site which could be lost or harnessed to help council fund important infrastructure and services. While I am not pro development for its own sake, some of the better developers are very good at understanding and unlocking this sort of value. If these sort of options were carefully considered and an SRV of some size was still needed, then I would feel more supportive. Keep up the strong consultation." 2012-01-27 11:00:38 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Jetzin said "Storey book reading sessions for children and other activites to interest them in books and engage their imaginations." 2012-01-19 14:03:01 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-designs Jen said "I liked the way the Blue design had some public spaces and open space but there was no parking. The use of existing buildings is good" 2012-01-18 17:17:28 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Mike said "Reading in bed with an e-reader is quite simple and is also rapidly getting more pleasurable as screen quality improves. Some of the large hardbacks I've lugged to bed recently would have been easier to manage on a much lighter Kindle or equivalent. Being able to instantly enlarge the text is a blessing for older eyes and comes at no extra cost unlike large-print library editions." 2012-01-18 01:29:35 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library sotetno said "Yep, definitely more books (and CDs and audio and newspapers etc). I agree current collection is skimpy but hopefully a new library will give the space to increase the numbersand the proposal will also factor in money to increase the collections." 2012-01-17 19:47:46 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library sotetno said "Whilst I agree things may change over time and extending access to online books and e-books etc is great, the humble printed book is still a wonderful thing and I would love to see the collection extended with a library upgrade, not in anyway reduced. The collection at Marrickville is pretty poor compared to other "main" libraries and my main hope with a new library would simply be the space and capacity to hold more stuff in all areas (fiction, non fiction, children's, audio, CDs, DVDs, newspapers, community languages etc). Wi-fi connection at all areas of the library (and even in the parklands out front) is also important. As a parent I would love to get to the children's area without going up a lift/stairs. And I'd love to be able to scour the library catalogue and access internet whilst in the children's area keeping an eye on my kids (as they head there as soon as we walk in the door). " 2012-01-17 19:42:58 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design sotetno said "The internal design seems to sit well with me. I like the outdoor reading verandah and the amount of shelving for books seems to be OK (not great but better than Blue design). Would love a children's area that I didn't have to get to via lift/stairs but that doesn't seem to be in any of these designs. " 2012-01-17 19:14:01 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-designs sotetno said "Love the children's area in Blue design, with the outdoor garden. I like the green lawn sunken garden area in the front and l love the use of jacarandahs. Worried that too much emphasis has been put on social aspects of the library and that shelving and places for actual books is too small. I'd love the collection to be expanded from what it currently is, not have actual book space reduced. " 2012-01-17 19:05:11 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-designs josephine said "All the designs are wonderful. The visual presentation of the Green Scheme makes it look very chic and glamorous and this may impress many people. But putting that aside, I love the Blue scheme the most. It respects the heritage of Marrickville by preserving the original hospital building in an imaginative way. The spaces for children have a special, safe but exploratory quality. I could say more but thank you, Marrickville, for providing this opportunity to comment. PS: I had difficulty opening the emailed link to make this comment. It takes persistence so if anyone in the community reads this, don't give up! " 2012-01-11 11:34:44 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library asta said "I would like to see more audio-visual material. While the library has a great book collection, the film and TV collection is a bit lacking and would open up the library to new and different types of users and services! Thank-you for asking these questions of your users!" 2012-01-10 17:27:02 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library dominocb said "I totally agree with you, Rachael...More books!!" 2011-12-22 16:27:22 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design Ratty said "This design is more sympathetic to the architecture of the suburb and uses the old buildings in a better way (although I do like the sunken garden on one design). For gardens, palm trees will attract ibis so gum trees or other native should be used." 2011-12-21 12:54:55 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Mike said "Sorry I meant to say Addison Road, not Marrickville Road. I've suggested having local loop buses to the Council before, partly in response to the issue of people dumping shopping trolleys from Marrickville Metro in our parks and side streets. However there are many more reasons that people have for being mobile in urban areas that need better equipped buses and trains. People can get around London and Paris with large items without the burden of a car that Greater Sydney requires." 2011-12-16 08:23:08 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Philip Sydenham said "Is there a Community Centre on Marrickville Road? The local bus service which could accomodate pets and large luggage is an excellent idea!" 2011-12-16 07:56:06 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library fudge said "Sometimes statements are made but not adhered to, I fear that one of the smaller branches will close so they can consolidate staff and money into the bigger, newer library." 2011-12-15 15:03:01 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library fudge said "I think that as a library we need to remember that even thought there are a lot of new technological advance the humble book should not be forgotten. Book stock should not be foregone for techno devices. Invest in the future but remember that for some the simple pleasure of reading a good book in bed is something that e-readers do not accommodate. We need to be mindful that this building is going to be around a long time so there must be room to grow and expand as time moves forward, and not to the determent of the collections in the library where we diminish collections to no more than a book or two on a subject. We should remember that Marrickville has always had a large non English speaking community and we should be inviting to everyone in the community. So we need to maintain the books in languages other than English, we need to make sure that we have books in large print. Book shelves which are not to high so easy access is available to everyone and also so a clear sight line from all areas of the library are maintained. A good easy to access community information notice board for events of the community to be displayed. An area for groups to meet and conducted training or meetings with access to interactive equipment, e.g. screens, projectors, laptops. We must also try and utilise the front of the space facing Marrickville Road as one of the biggest issues is quite a few people do not even know where the library is so it needs to be on the main road visible and easily accessible to all people including those with disabilities and prams. The work areas for the staff should be a priority as well make sure that they have enough space to do what they do behind the scenes. There should be good storage, space to go if they are feeling unwell. Parking need to be addressed as well as it is already quite hard to get to parking. The parking area needs to be well lit as the library does not close till 8.30pm on week nights. Toilets , parents room with facilities for parents to feed the child, a micro wave to warm food for the child are a must. That is all for the moment. " 2011-12-13 16:12:12 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design Philip Sydenham said "Please don't be quiet. This discussion needs input from people like you and me." 2011-12-09 16:40:17 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design Aurora said "I'm a bird lover. We had a similar problem where I work, but we were able to reduce the problem with covered bins and cutting branches that are favourable for roosting. But I shall be quiet now and keep my questions to myself." 2011-12-09 16:20:36 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design Jane said "After looking at all the MPs in a little more detail now, this is the Master Plan that really does interpret all the possibilities that a library can provide the community. It sets the brief really. There are suggestions for the buildings use that I hadn’t considered, some really wonderful ideas here. The building itself responds well to the site, the surrounding buildings and out door areas. The entrance and circulation looks great, the spaces are generous and clearly articulated. The possibilities of combining the library with the council chambers is surely worth exploring. Overall there is a clear and coherent design already here that focuses on the possibilities of us as a community. Really fabulous. Has my vote. " 2011-12-09 14:14:30 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-green-design Jane said "I am less convinced of the buildings landmark presence on the street scrape. In fact it already seems dated. The library site is really only considered rather than the surrounding heritage precinct and the building design completely turns its back on this area rather than being the opportunity to link to these areas visually and physically. I disagree with the Master Plans claim of the location fo the Civic Precinct I don’t think it’s that area at all. I really dislike the main entrance being via a ramp. It completed squashes the conceptual ideas of indoor and outdoor connections. Then we enter a very over stated entrance foyer with large stair case and no lifts! Lifts are once again pushed to the rear of the building and elderly, disabled and parents with prams must use the ‘servant’s entrance’!! Surely these days are gone in modern design and equality. Also where are the toilets? Please don’t try and convince me that small cubicals shown are it! No Really, where are they? The link to the old hospital building is via a bridge and you are funnelled down to the far corner of the main library building to get here. I am not sure how I am meant to find this? Signage obviously. The design suggests the area would not be for public use but for private office space. If for the public, and even if the space were intended for quite study I don’t think this is a cleaver way of moving people to this area. Actually the whole design seems pokey, with no real thought to how some of the spaces could truely be used. It does not truely live up to the challenge of providing the people of Marrickville with a library that may service them into the future. Back to the drawing board guys. " 2011-12-09 11:28:06 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design Jane said "I think the design responds well to the street. Internally there are some wonderful spaces that respond well to their uses. I wonder about noise though, especially in the cafe, foyer and 'other use' area. Modern designs do seem to omit this essential quality in 'open area' spaces. I applaud the environmental initiatives in the building. It appears that this concept has a strong environmental focus not just to the design but the construction and later the use of the building. " 2011-12-09 10:17:19 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design Philip Sydenham said "The ibises are not entirely the council's responsibility. They are protected birds, and as such, various government and non-government agencies are responsible for their welfare. It is a compound rookery, with birds roosting and nesting at St Brigid's, the hospital and Grahame Avenue. There was a third site, in Hastings Street, which was dispersed when a dying palm tree was removed. However, this only increased the concentrations at the other three sites. A humane solution, which would save the heritage trees, would be to make a loud noise at the sites at dusk, dispersing the birds, which are not normally active after dark. The sites where the droppings fall onto grass or porous paving (such as Grahame Ave) are less offensive. So a partial solution would be to pave the library site with bricks rather than concrete. We would be a much poorer world if libraries, trees and birds could not get along." 2011-12-09 05:59:05 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design Aurora said "But it's easier to tell the Council their Ibises stink .. than it is to tell God!!" 2011-12-08 21:55:22 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design Philip Sydenham said "The ibis issue is essentially unrelated to the palm trees. If the flying foxes can be discouraged from roosting in our botanic gardens by technology, so, too, will be a solution be found for removing the ibis rookeries from a few palm trees in Marrickville. I should add, that the odour is considerably worse in the grounds of Saint Brigid's opposite the site in question. This has not discouraged a single worshipper from attendance at Mass." 2011-12-08 20:29:28 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design moimoi said "This design reaches me in a way the other two don't. It is absolutely stunning and would surely be the pride of Marrickville. There's a feeling of comfort, spaciousness and light, a real place for the community to engage with literacy, a place for children, a green area. It's beautiful!" 2011-12-08 18:15:27 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design Aurora said "It reminds me of a number of other modern libraries and along with Steel Park & the new aquatic center, will give Marrickville an edgier look/feel. However, what will be done about the palm tree and ibis problem? I hate walking past those trees. I have to hold my breath or cover my face... seriously it makes me want to heave. I can imagine all the pigeons and ibis will love their new grassland and lofts. This will just turn me right off." 2011-12-08 17:11:37 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design Philip Sydenham said "I think the palm tress are heritage listed, and therefore must remain. One design provides for their relocation on site. This and the green option retain them in situ." 2011-12-02 11:43:38 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-designs Wolf said "This design is best placed on site and with it's sunken lawn actually creates a very useable, green forecourt. The language of the existing roof taken on as a design language for the new is very beautiful. Not just another box. Best out of all 3" 2011-12-01 15:42:47 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-green-design shadylayman said "Yes ! Very impressive, encapsulates a sense of space and imagination. The "gold" design pips it at the post...... 9/10" 2011-11-30 10:26:37 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-designs shadylayman said "Old School ! The concept is trite, a more detailed assessment is necessary for me to give the thumbs up. 7/10" 2011-11-30 10:14:02 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design shadylayman said "This is a truly impressive design, 10/10 marks for FJMT. Aesthetically pleasing and definitely a structure worthy of community pride." 2011-11-30 09:56:09 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design Suewthay said "This one seems to suit our suburb the best. Just as long as there are no palm trees! It is light and inviting." 2011-11-29 17:09:50 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-green-design Philip Sydenham said "Could be a landmark building and landmark design for Marrickville. Innovative and Imaginative. Shows respect and sensitivity to both the built and living environment. Heritage and venerable trees retained in situ. Adequate spaces for immediate and future use. A building that says "Come and look inside" This design would work with the staff as well as the customers. Perhaps a second level of car-parking beneath is necessary. Needs more stack space for lesser-used materials to be stored. A creditable outcome for the people of Marrickville, who have been struggling for decades with inadequate, sub-standard library facilities." 2011-11-28 08:04:21 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-designs Philip Sydenham said "Unacceptible. Boring design, inadequate spaces Involves removal and relocation of heritage and venerable trees. Shows no respect for the site and surrounding buildings." 2011-11-28 07:48:14 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-new-library-concept-yellow-design Philip Sydenham said "Adequate. The building will be full of light. But how did the Council Chamber creep into this design?" 2011-11-28 07:43:18 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings resident said "The concept plans all have their pros and cons but it is good to see that council is going for good modern design and is not being constrained by a misguided attempt to copy the existing building styles of the old hospital site in the pursuit of perceived heritage. What is a concern however is the lack of clarity in all of the designs as to what is going to be built on the rest of the site. For example the old eight story nurses quarters on Livingstone road needs to go but to replace it with a building of the same scale would be ridiculous as the existing building dwarfs the surrounding area. Building something of that scale may have been acceptable when planning controls were not as rigid as is currently the case but to replace with an eight story residential tower would be totally unsympathetic to the site, the neighbours and the locality. What about using that site as a community garden? Also the laundry and boiler house that fronts Lilydale has been slated to be replaced by a six story residential building. Again this is totally out of scale with its surrounds and would have a significant impact on the amenity of Lilydale street. Whilst council has every right to see a financial return on its investment it should not be done by oversubscribing the site with residential towers out of scale to the local neighbourhood. Also of concern is the impact on the residents of Lilydale street. Council needs to ensure that adequate parking and pick up and drop off zones are incorporated into the master plan to prevent Lilydale street becoming a car park for the library. Marrickville Council has a once in a generation opportunity to get the development of the old hospital site right. The concept plans for the library indicate to me that they are heading in the right direction. It is what is not being said about the rest of the site that gives me cause for concern. " 2011-11-20 15:22:50 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Mike said "There's a lot of subscription services for research materials, multimedia, genealogical resources that could be served well in a local library. If you're doing ad-hoc research the cost of individual memberships is prohibitive. I'm also conscious of how rents are driving a lot of bookshops (new and used) out of business. These places have a valuable social place for social creatures who aren't satisfied with just downloading their entertainment. Even in Seattle, Jeff Bezos of Amazon was commonly seen going to great bookstores like Elliott Bay for an experience that can't be replicated online. Going to buy media (books, art, music, video) is rather different than buying clothes or food, and the loss of the "vibe" of such places is a loss to the community. The idea of the "third place" (which has been developed well in Seattle bookstores) to be not just pubs and bar, but book-oriented places is one that should be cherished by librarians. Bring authors (local or not) in to do readings - does this ever happen in Marrickville? No idea if that happens even after 20 years living there as it's certainly not promoted by the council. I would even support larger library buildings having areas for private booksellers to operate. Make them real hubs for ideas." 2011-11-18 00:07:16 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Mike said "This seems more like something that could be handled by the Community Centre on Marrickville Road, either by providing tools-on-loan or rooms in which sewing machines are available. The only problem of course is distribution across a suburb as huge as Marrickville. If the council provided its own local-loop bus services it would help with people trying to get around and do things that don't involve buses built only for humans. Having spent a lot of time in Europe where people have urban transport systems that allow them to get around with their pets (even to get them to the vets), large shopping items (or moving a lawn mower) without a personal vehicle I have a lot of sympathy for this. Sydney's transport is built for simple commutes, not for supporting all the reasons that people are mobile." 2011-11-17 23:57:54 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Mike said "For many older readers, having e-readers is a better solution that stocking large-print editions as you can adjust the print size on *any* title. The prices on these are falling even faster than for technologies like calculators, digital cameras etc and will be nearly give-away items before long. It may be more practical & cost-effective for the library to subsidise/loan such devices than to manage physical stock in duplicate editions. " 2011-11-17 23:51:28 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Philip Sydenham said "There seems to be a great deal of concern that the construction of a new library will result in the closure of the existing branch libraries. This fear should be alleviated by a statement that no libraries will close as a result of this development. Consideration should also be given to limited service "Library Link" services, such as the City of Sydney conducts at Town Hall and Pyrmont. In the Marrickville LGA, such links for the return of borrowed items, and collection of pre-booked materials, with full access to the catalogues (and maybe ebooks) would be appropriate in Petersham and at Steele Park. Perhaps also at the secondary schools?" 2011-11-17 19:50:27 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library australiana said "Just make it great. Frankly, the experience and knowledge of most people is too limited to come up with really good design ideas. Instead of giving people what they think they might want surprise them with a truly wonderful knowledge and learning space that they will use in ways they hadn't even thought of before the library was built." 2011-11-17 19:06:48 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries australiana said "Just make it great. Frankly, the experience and knowledge of most people is too limited to come up with really good design ideas. Instead of giving people what they think they might want surprise them with a truly wonderful knowledge and learning space that they will use in ways they hadn't even thought of before the library was built." 2011-11-17 19:03:44 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library sioux said "Libraries should contain books. There is also room for Compact Disks, both music and talking books. The present system whereby one can borrow CDs of Greek music, for example, should not be stopped. Catering for our multicultural community benefits us all. A wide range of films on DVD is also appropriate. Some French films would be appreciated. The role of the local historian in the library remains important. The access to data bases from home is appreciated but could be extended further, especially in English and Australian literature (as opposed to that of the US). The ability to borrow audio books on line from home is an excellent service and cannot take up too much physical space but please extend this to Mac users. DO NOT CLOSE DOWN THE BRANCH LIBRARIES." 2011-10-26 13:52:35 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/article/guest-book5 Jemima said "In the new library I would like to see a dedicated area for local history where sufficient room for information from the past and also into the future can be kept. For instance I understand that the Marrickville Heritage Society needs storage room. I consider this to be a priority and would like to see this provided for without charge. " 2011-10-25 16:43:06 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library beej said "I would like to see a toy library similar to Randwick library. Children should be able to interact with the library in a number of different ways to foster a lifelong relationship with it." 2011-10-24 09:37:27 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Philip Sydenham said "Thank you BVP for your positive feedback on my post. You've hit it right with your comment "on the broader site". Council could build a facility with rentable spaces for the private sector and NGOs to provide the ancilliary services. Surry Hills branch of the City of Sydney Library, and Fountain Gate Library on the outskirts of Melbourne are examples. (By the way it's not "Philip of Sydenham" that makes me sound like a crusader. Sydenham is my surname.)" 2011-10-20 20:11:52 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Lyn said "1. A local studies museum, well-equipped with display cases. 2. A separate reference area with hard copy of key works such as the OED. 3. A wide-ranging fiction collection, including CLASSICS. Some readers want traditional material in addition to the latest Booker finalists. " 2011-10-10 18:36:40 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings gumnut said "Heritage is importent to local people who have grown up in the LGA , so why not have heritage kept on the outside of the building & modernisation on the inside & keep everybody happy. (It seems some people are obsessed with coffee shops). Have plants & outdoor green space for sure." 2011-10-10 12:36:20 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library BVP said "There are clearly many needs, new trends and desirable possibilities to be catered for, so the space available does need to be significantly larger overall. For example, planning for e-books and Wi-Fi is a must, while silent study spaces are highly desirable and so is a less buttoned down youth area. Planning to make the new design forward-thinking, adaptable, bright, modern and inclusive is critical, so there’s no sense of “fusty old library” at all. By all means look at the Melbourne one for ideas as suggested, and others too, as there are some wonderful local libraries up and running now. Also, Philip of Sydenham is right on the mark with most of his points, although I don’t think that tools and equipment, a gym and newsagent belong, although they could be on the broader site. On that point, while ideas like the café, child minding and meeting rooms should definitely be incorporated, can these at the same time be shared with a broader take on development for the whole site, not just the library component? The elephant in the room here is how much can be afforded, what money is available? A possibility I guess, is to try for it all in a grand design, study the price tag & then revise the plan see if the same things can be done less expensively to match the probably much more modest funding. " 2011-10-02 15:47:47 +1100 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/article/guest-book5 Carlo said "I think council and the marrickville community should accept much higher residential densities in their LGA. It is well serviced and convenient. We all have an obligation to our future generations not just for the supply of housing, but affordable housing." 2011-09-30 11:12:20 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library ssharwood said "A bus stop outside the library door - preferably for more than one route. And/or a bus connecting the two train lines in the district and stopping outside the library. Lots of secure bike parking. E-books to borrow. Meeting rooms for community organisations, available until late evening." 2011-09-26 19:44:31 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/article/guest-book5 Newtownian said ""Saturday morning is a time when people bring their dogs to the park and let them run everywhere." Oh dear! It seems that Pidgy has got his/her wish and Marrickville Council have decided to more aggressively police off lease times in Camperdown Memorial Rest Park. A number of dog owners have been issued fines recently by rangers that have not been in uniform and employed devious tactics to identify the dogs and owners. Apart from reacting to the tiresome complaints (assertions of rights no less) of people who will always be anti-dog, it is difficult to judge why the council sees fit to intervene at this point. CMR Park is one of the most convivial spaces in Sydney where dogs happily mix with people and vice versa. One need only take a look at the wonderful scenes of neighborliness that occur everyday as dogs and owners gather to catch up on the day and pooches get some freedom after being locked in small inner city yards all day. For half the year, when the sun sets early, the anti-dog types would prefer this happened only after dark or in the comparatively tawdry O'Dea Reserve. Enforcing the anti-dog by laws seems to me much less of a priority than focussing on some of the more anti-social behaviour on the part of humans that occurs in the park from time to time. I've never seen a dog or dog owner drink themselves into oblivion in the park and leave their rubbish strewn about. In fact, given the use it gets, the park is remarkably free of dog poo. Maybe both Pidgy and Marrickville Council should live and let live a little. And if a dog comes up to you wagging it's tail it's just saying hello." 2011-09-18 01:08:41 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library AJS said "I like to see a section on the history of Marrickville and some suburbs around Marrickville." 2011-09-14 16:55:24 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/how-should-we-honour-the-local-aboriginal-people-and-migrants-that-have-made-marrickville-what-it-is-today comengage said "Hi Rachael This is certainly not the only forum that Council is using - we are talking to a number of Aboriginal groups and individuals, and have started this process now to make sure there is sufficient time for a number of perspectives to be heard. We are getting really good information about what local Aboriginal people would like to see and how their history and current day culture should be reflected in the new library. If there are any groups or individuals you think we should be particularly talking to I'd be happy to get the feedback. My email is comengage@marrickville.nsw.gov.au Cheers" 2011-09-14 14:12:03 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Class 3CM said "We would love to see a mini cafe, playstation 3, wifi, comfy seats and a kids area." 2011-09-14 11:00:16 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/how-should-we-honour-the-local-aboriginal-people-and-migrants-that-have-made-marrickville-what-it-is-today Class 3CM said "We think there should be a section in the library that specifically celebrates our Aboriginal history. How about a area that contains books, videos, DVDs, photographs, artefacts etc that acknowledges our local history of our community." 2011-09-14 10:57:43 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/how-should-we-honour-the-local-aboriginal-people-and-migrants-that-have-made-marrickville-what-it-is-today Rachael said "It annoys me that this question is even here. The answer is simple. Talk to them and ask them. Why ask the entire population of the area with all the racism and bias that exists. These are the first people. Get out there and communicate. Talk talk and more talk. Not just a special elite group. Get out into the community - talk to groups of Aboriginal teenagers, aboriginal children, aboriginal seniors, young parents, Aboriginal professionals - EVERYONE. This Council is not very good (despite the fact they think they are) at consultation with Australian Aboriginal people (they prefer to deal with CALD and don't understand the significance of first people). I would even say employ a team of Aboriginal Australians to get out there and do this consultation properly. I bet you 1 million dollars this has not happened. It will be "same old same old" and ask a select little group that may not be at all representative. It is just a joke every time and never done properly." 2011-09-13 07:56:44 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries Rachael said "It may sound strange but please retain books. Actually I should say improve what is a very meagre situation. A generation of students have been left floundering compared to other areas where collections are decent. It is very important to have books in community languages, however, children are educated primarily in English and this is where the bulk of book funding should go. I tend to feel electronic media should be able to deal with the bulk of CALD needs. It is not really doing anyone any good to take from Peter tom pay Paul - there needs to be a very clear rationale as to how the multicultural nature of Marrickville is accommodated within library services and at the end of the day, I think we need to consider the language residents are educated in as the first equal priority. Second equal priority are the Australian Aboriginal people and how they would like to be catered for within this new library. Please remember the rest of our wonderfully diverse population come from parts of the world where they are catered for well. Most can log onto a computer (be it at the library) to get resources in their own language. We tend to overstep and then grow expectations for migrants and refugee populations. I have friends from CALD backgrounds and they have no trouble accessing their own material online - they laugh about our local attempts and say - "Why do they do this when we can get what we want any way". So please put this in perspective and don't ruin the library needs of another generation of Marrickville children because we are focusing on a perceived rather than a real need." 2011-09-13 07:49:07 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Rachael said "I would really like to see an excellent book collection. I also want up to date electronic media, however it would be a tragedy to replace books with media rather than extend overall capacity. The current collection is skimpy by the standards of other libraries and this is a great sadness for book lovers of the area. " 2011-09-13 07:34:11 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Rosebud said "Marrickville is seeing more and more families in the area, so PLEASE, Please !, provide a decent parent room like they have at Westfields shopping centres. The library needs to be accessable to families and that includes breast feeding mums with babies and toddlers. Its really disgusting that in so many places, breast feeding is expected to take place in the toilets (and what are you supposed to do with your toddler while breast feeding in the toilet ???) All public infrastructure like libraries should be child and family friendly so please include an appropriate parent room ie breast feeding cubicles, enclosed play space with play equipment, child and parent toilet and change tables. thanks" 2011-09-09 18:37:35 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Philip Sydenham said "It's not very long ago that municipalities with adequate libraries refused membership to residents of neighbouring municipalities who had inadequate provision. I don't think we want to return to that scenario." 2011-09-09 18:26:58 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Philip Sydenham said "I'm sorry, I thought this was supposed to be a discussion, I don't wish to argue. But I think we should all think outside the box on this issue. Fitzroy City Library's tool library possibly did not survive the Kennett years. It's City Council certainly didn't. I remember no storytimes at my public library 50 years ago, but I do remember my Mother (a municipal councillor at the time) coming home in tears after debating the issue at Town Hall. A library should be build with sufficient provision to store all its materials. " 2011-09-09 18:23:34 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Skweekah said "Yeah Phil. This charge is ludicrous. What next, charging for membership? Charging for 'free' wifi? Charging to use a word processor?" 2011-09-09 12:57:25 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Trish said "Sorry, I don't think it's an 'out there' idea. Council libraries are already struggling for funds, they don't need to be buying equipment so that people can sew their trousers or dig up their gardens. I'm not sure what Fitzroy library you are talking about, because the Fitzory City library in Melbourne does not lend tools. Also, I remember storytime at my library forty years ago, so I'm not sure what you mean when libraries treated storytime for children with derision. Just out of curiosity, where would a library store all this equipment?" 2011-09-09 12:51:57 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Philip Sydenham said ""Maybe the term 'library' will disappear?" I blooming well hope not! Look at any daily newspaper. The word "library" is currently in constant use more frequently than ever before. One thing it no longer means is "a dusty repository of books, guarded by frowsty middle-aged ladies wearing sensible shoes". !" 2011-09-09 11:57:54 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Philip Sydenham said "Hardly novel. It's a mainstream way in many places." 2011-09-09 11:50:39 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Philip Sydenham said "We have the opportunity to fulfill a vision. The site is ideal to enhance a streetscape already graced with two listed Churches, the town hall, fire station and other landmark buildings. To embed an innovative space for learning, engagement and connection in this milieu is something not to undertaken lightly. I'm particularly appreciative of your comment: "This is an important opportunity for Marrickville to be a leader in bringing back the Library as a space where the community wants to use it and enjoy it." We can all be proud of our municipality, but its library service up until now has been inadequate, to make the best of it. The basement of the town hall, and a few recycled buildings as branch libraries is not enough. Canterbury council provides a much better service with the basement of a shopping mall, and a few purpose-built branches. But Marrickville can do much better, and deserves much better. The oldest free public lending library in the world, Innerpefferay (Scotland) began with a few used Bibles and prayerbooks, but was soon lending sewing needles, cauldrons and spectacles. The thing is to assess the community need, anticipate the future need, and make flexible provision for both." 2011-09-09 11:46:19 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Philip Sydenham said "The old, Illawarra Rd, Town Hall is no longer council property. The plans are, I believe, for a Greek community Centre" 2011-09-09 11:24:16 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Philip Sydenham said "Thank you Skweekah. I was faced with a $15 fee for an ILL from the library of a neighbouring municipality just this week. I am fortunate to be able to just go to the neighbouring library, join, and reserve the item for $1.50. However, many elders and disabled persons do not have that option." 2011-09-09 11:22:20 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Philip Sydenham said "There are many of us who have not the means to get to Bunnings. (Have you ever tried to get a lawn mower onto a bus?) (Have you ever tried to hire a sewing machine for a two-hour job in the afternoon?) The great library visionary and organiser, Melville Dewey, allowed for "realia" in his classification system, with subject entries like garden tools, butter churns, lighting and household ornaments. I agree that it's a pretty "out there" idea. It was, however, pioneered in Australia by the Fitzroy City Library in Melbourne, with very great success. A reasonable fee was charged (waived for pensioners), and a refundable deposit or surrender of your library card was neccessary. I cannot see that Marrickville library should not be a pioneer of new ideas. I can remember when storytimes for children were treated with derision: "It's a library, not a kindergarten!!"" 2011-09-09 11:17:47 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Trish said "What do you mean library of tools (lawn mowers, electrical drills, floor polishers) It's a library, not bunnings hire centre!!" 2011-09-08 17:33:56 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/how-should-we-honour-the-local-aboriginal-people-and-migrants-that-have-made-marrickville-what-it-is-today Trish said "After school care is not appropriate for libraries, one, the staff are not trained child care workers, and two, leaving children in the library as young as three, and yes some parents have the nerve to do this, is a disaster for staff and patrons. It's a library where people want to relax, read, study, etc, not listen to poor little children crying for one of their parents. No, this is just another way for parents to leave their children who some can be very young in order for them to go shopping or whatever. You may say that people would never leave a todler behind, well they do and I have experienced this first hand. A three year old crying for his mother for over an hour. The mother finally came back from a bit of shopping and was not too concerned because she thought her child would be safe in the library!! No, this is a bad idea. If you want after school care, go to where they provide after school care, not the library." 2011-09-08 17:24:52 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings Viva La Marrickville said "I agree with the person who said we should not be straight-jacketed by heritage. Altho it needs to be in sympatico with the environment and I like the idea of some mirroring with St Brigids. Something about the space in the front and the lead up into the library, maximising that green space, outdoor learning and studying spaces, the sensory trail etc. Inside lots of natural light, teaming through. Innovative sensitive sustainable design. Something of a spire with the Aboriginal flag on top." 2011-09-08 16:56:44 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Viva La Marrickville said "Interactive spaces, not just technology and books, but interactive spaces for community. A baby space that eg. includes Baby Rhyme time. A Youth Space - we know the library is popular with kids from the African continent, and since often their parents dont have reading and writing literacy, its really important that these kids be in this space. An Aboriginal Space, that develops some sense of ownership by Aboriginal communities in Marrickville. It can tell the stories but also be a meeting place. Its not so long ago that this very space was used by IWACC. " 2011-09-08 16:42:02 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Skweekah said "I agree with Reduction in fees for inter-library loans. What on earth are they thinking??? ATTN GM! Lower or remove this fee!!! You will not make any money doing this as the service will cease to be used! It is common sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" 2011-09-08 10:52:31 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Skweekah said "A nice looking building, not some monstrosity. Marrickville has so much potential. Just like Surry Hills, Paddington, Newtown. Marrickville has all of the building blocks of a fantastic suburb. This new library should reflect this. Make this a place that's more akin with a community centre than a library. The Surry Hills library is a good example. Let's do this right the first time! Books, Internet access,, computer facilities, meeting rooms, authors talks, seminars. One other thing, slightly off topic, but important none the less. The the library manager, your new interlibrary loan charges are ludicrous! What were you thinking!!! Im sure youre now making millions. You have the staff, offer the service. It's not all about money! Silly, silly decision......." 2011-09-08 10:37:20 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries Thornhill said "I'm just appalled at some of the things people are asking for in the library. Surely the views of the people interviewed for 'Marrickville Matters' weren't taken seriously...? A grandmother who wants a garden and a free nursery, a student who wants "a study area with desks and a reading room with sofas" (isn't that called "home"?), a "study room for youth to hang around"... Going through some of the views on-line, I had to stop when I came to the man who wants electrical goods for hire, including lawn-mowers!! Are people serious? Your local library as a lawn-mower hire-centre?!? For godsake, it's a LIBRARY! Leave it alone." 2011-09-04 19:43:30 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries Jodan said "Library needs to be accessible to students who dont have space to study. Break-out rooms for small groups when students working together.Online booking system for rooms so you can see availability. Free wifi.Audio-books and associated technology for hire for vision-impaired.TTY for people with hearing difficulties,work with Nat relay Service.Survey 2RPH and Koori Radio for feedback.Community bus services for transport to library.Community noticeboard and central community services brochures area.Bulletin board for people to give feedback and ideas about library & resources e.g. new book for library to obtain.Link in with local book clubs.Hold Book Club events at all libraries with book reviews from members available online.Celebrate library Volunteers on International Vol Day-plant a tree or shrub or place a plaque on a seat for Vol of the Year.Build a Welcome Wall which locals can contribute to and have associated resources available in library e.g. copies of ship manifests for names of people on boats from overseas to Australia. " 2011-09-04 10:22:59 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/how-should-we-honour-the-local-aboriginal-people-and-migrants-that-have-made-marrickville-what-it-is-today Jodan said "Ask people from local Aboriginal and migrant communities,ask the local community services working with local communities. Ask local schools to contribute. Interview long-term residents, business people etc. According to Richard Cashman/Chrys Meader's book Marrickville Rural Outpost to Inner City, in 1896 relics from Aboriginal settlement c 5000 BC were discovered.Use this type of knowledge, and timeline, to build a picture of the contributions Aboriginal people and migrants have made in Marrickville. Perhaps the relics can be replicated as part of a standing exhibition. Ensure the honouring is authentic and alive by asking Aboriginal elders, and migrants, who came to live in Marrickville to share their experiences through oral history projects and local talks at the library. Develop long-term resources such as documentaries on early migrants and their gardens.Take photos of what is here today as that will be the history of tomorrow, plant an avenue of trees along Marrickville Road." 2011-09-04 10:03:02 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings Jodan said "New library should be modern but welcoming, not only hard glass walls you have to peer into to see if you are allowed in. The inside/outside areas should blend together on a human scale.Locate the cafe in the heritage buildings and ensure their use by housing local community groups offering essential information and providing spaces for community groups to work and run workshops. Local competition for water features/garden sculptures-keep it local! Sensory garden for vision-impaired, braille signs,path for wheelchairs.Council could locate native nursery there-hold info sessions on native/preferred plantings,local history and eco-walks with reference to library resources." 2011-09-04 09:40:51 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Jodan said "New library could have permanent exhibit showing Marrickville's changes through time. The children's book, My Place, by Nadia Wheatly/Donna Rawlins used this idea to great effect. Survey Book clubs, mobile library users,current library membership and on-site users, local schools-staff and pupils, for views on what they like/dislike at the current library & what they would like the new library to include. Current non-profit tenants to be re-housed and included in plans for future site use as they contribute positively to local community.The new Library should be an inviting and welcoming space offering a range of spaces for individuals,groups and community to enjoy." 2011-09-04 09:19:38 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library leonie said "Lots of great ideas in the discussion. The more diverse the library services and the more accessible the space, the more it will connect the community. I would like to see the concept of 'borrowing' extended as far as possible - tools, cars, bikes, prams, camping equipment, sports and play equipment, toys, party and catering supplies, roof racks, computers, printers, scanners, video cameras.... There is so much stuff that we have just in case or use only occasionally. Utilizing an item to its' capacity is a much better use of the energy that has gone into producing, packaging, transporting and eventually disposing of it. The notion of shared responsibility and shared ownership will be increasingly important in creating sustainable communities. We don’t all need a spare room or a garage to keep all our stuff in. We can maintain our lifestyles with access to that stuff which we want or need rather than ownership. We may even enhance our lifestyle by forming relationships where we share interests and skills as well as things. Obviously there are practical and budget restrictions to maintaining collections of various items but certainly a library could be a central point for co-ops, non-profit hire enterprises, paid membership and user pays systems. We would still all be a lot better off financially, socially and environmentally. " 2011-09-02 14:22:12 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings comengage said "If anyone's interested - I've put up a short video about the Surry Hills Library you can have a look at." 2011-09-02 13:59:17 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/how-should-we-honour-the-local-aboriginal-people-and-migrants-that-have-made-marrickville-what-it-is-today awsome ikik said "i think there could bea after school care" 2011-08-31 19:17:00 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Rg6459 said "I think the new library should have a rug,chairs and tables,lots of Andy grifths books,and a mini cafe. " 2011-08-31 16:19:50 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Caine said "I would like to see the new library be a space for learning, connecting, and further social community engagement. Be creative and be futuristic in your planning. A space for people to be social and connected without the need for a dead silent library would be useful. The internet and electronic mediums are becoming more and more the preference of much of the community. I agree with the comments about Free, Fast Wi-Fi. I think a space for young children to interact with a book (electronic talking books) and maybe be read stories would be a great. This is an important opportunity for Marrickville to be a leader in bringing back the Library as a space where the community wants to use it and enjoy it. " 2011-08-31 13:19:32 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library chris said "Childrens area, computers, lounges, childrens computers, storytime daily, crafts for kids, school holiday activities for preschoolers" 2011-08-31 12:56:03 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/article/guest-book5 pidgy said "I would like more control of dogs in the local parks. People completely ignore the off-leash restrictions, especially in Camperdown Memorial Rest Park. There are signs saying dogs may be off-leash between certain times and between certain hours, but the signs need to be renewed (and displayed more prominently) as the relevant off-leash area has changed a little since the park renovations a few years ago. Saturday morning is a time when people bring their dogs to the park and let them run everywhere. This annoys me but I don't want to be policeman. I don't want people telling me 'He won't hurt you' or abusing me because I ask them to stop their dogs running up to me. According to the by-laws I'm entitled to go about the park on a Saturday after 9am and before 5pm without dogs annoying me, but it's hard to insist on my rights without causing bad feelings." 2011-08-31 12:24:37 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings kt1800 said "Coffee is a great idea with an outdoor area / community garden. I think there is no point "mocking" the past. I love the surry hills library. It's clean and modern and I believe quite green too. It's a great addition to that area in surry hills, and it doesn't copy the older buildings around it. It would be nice to see a building in marrickville that is a bit different or experimental in it's design. " 2011-08-31 11:10:23 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library kt1800 said "I'd love to see some quieter work areas too. I work from home, and sometimes I like to just work in a different environment. I've been to the Marrickville library before but there is nowhere really to sit and do some quiet work or study. The idea of downloadable books is also great - for an ipad or a kindle. " 2011-08-31 11:06:48 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/article/guest-book5 gracie said "toilots" 2011-08-30 18:01:47 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/article/guest-book5 gracie said "computer lab" 2011-08-30 18:01:14 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/article/guest-book5 gracie said "bean bags" 2011-08-30 18:00:13 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/article/guest-book5 gracie said "browsing area for babys toddlers kids teenagers and adults" 2011-08-30 17:59:31 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/article/guest-book5 Locallocke said "Development of an incubation centre for small start-up businesses. Energy efficient, environmentally sound, and inspiring office/meeting spaces available for nominal fees to small businesses around the area trying to get established. In lieu of high commercial fees they can somehow contra services back into the community to achieve mutual benefits to all." 2011-08-29 17:51:26 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Locallocke said "Apart from ensuring the not for profits already using this area are suitably rehouses (and perhaps others can join them), I'd like to see some of the space, or area not yet used that is part of the facility, dedicated to incubators environments for local businesses. Am thinking very environmentally sound, funky, affordable (less than commercial) office and meeting facilities to help small businesses get established, so they can ultimately contribute back to the community in some commercial way." 2011-08-29 17:44:36 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings australiana said "Council should be seeking the most innovative and imaginative design possible and not be straitjacketed by the preoccupation with 'heritage'. The Opera House thankfully paid no attention to heritage and everyone is thankful for that. While the new Library will not have the monument status of that building it nevertheless should be confidently part of the contemporary era and not a 'heritage' pastiche." 2011-08-26 20:32:53 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library comengage said "Oops sorry - my mistake!" 2011-08-26 17:37:17 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Beck* said "Thanks for that....but ummm....my comment was about The Old Town Hall in Illawarra Rd....the original Town Hall. I don't expect any plans for the old Library for a long time to come!!! That would be a touch demanding at this point in time! " 2011-08-26 14:13:35 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/how-should-we-honour-the-local-aboriginal-people-and-migrants-that-have-made-marrickville-what-it-is-today comengage said "Council is hosting two working groups at the moment that are looking at Aboriginal history and the overall migration history in Marrickville - how it has shaped the area and the community - and how it can be best represented / celebrated within the new library. Looking foward to seeing what comes from these discussions." 2011-08-26 12:34:53 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library comengage said "Thanks Mniko The library looks really interesting - thanks for the link. Our library staff have been fantastic and have done a lot to contribute ideas and thoughts about current and future needs for the community. I totally agree that it all works together - good design, job satisfaction, good service etc." 2011-08-26 12:31:15 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library comengage said "Hi, No decisions have been made yet about the old library site. Once we have received feedback from our community and have a good idea of what services will be transferring to the new library, then we'll look at the old library and make some decisions about what the community and Council would like to see in the old library building. cheers" 2011-08-26 12:27:18 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library mniko said "As I librarian myself, I would highly recommend designers/council staff see the high level/cutting edge services offered by the Library of Melbourne Library, www.melbournelibraryservice.com.au Like many suggestion offered on this forum they offer a variety of space options from small individual semi open rooms/study (1/2 glassed non closing door) to large conference room projectors/kitchenette etc to multi playstation/wii Nintendo games area... they offer full self service for borrowing. Self service kiosks allowing you to borrow, renew and even pay library fines. They visitor and borrowing numbers have increased over time,,, just checking their website just now they even offer Freegal Download and keep up to three Sony Music tracks in the MP3 format each week. The sense of space and light, comfy furniture, areas for serious, quite study and areas for socialising - Most of all the staff needs should also be considered... as they need ownership to make the place work... I find it challenging/professionally embarrassing at times in my dealing with staff. I keep putting it down to working in obvious crap, dingy conditions...at the end of the day its the people that make a place no matter the design. " 2011-08-25 20:31:05 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/how-should-we-honour-the-local-aboriginal-people-and-migrants-that-have-made-marrickville-what-it-is-today Philip Sydenham said "I agree very strongly with you. Those annual cultural celebrations are very important, and must be facilitated. I'd add: The italian religious festivals at Easter Something for the Lebanese Something for the Tongans and other Islanders How about the Irish, the Scots, The Thai and Vietnamese The roll call could go on forever" 2011-08-25 11:52:24 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Beck* said "I'd really like to see a museum/heritage space for exhibitions. I'm NOT saying the council needs to incorporate a museum and collection within the library....I'd like to see a proper museum developed in the future.....hmmmm I thought I heard that's what the old Town Hall was supposed to be?? What is going on in there??? Big fence, no access???? Anyways, I'd like to see space for historical displays that could tell the story of M'ville based on research done locally and perhaps even the odd travelling exhibition that places like Leichhardt have incorporated from time to time. I saw a great one about milk bars and old cafes some time back over there. Council has enough council run galleries and art spaces....we need more of the other type of exhibition.....please. And then we can get to a proper museum space when you get this project done and dusted! :)" 2011-08-25 11:47:59 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries Beck* said "I love art and have studied art, but I feel there are enough council run galleries in Marrickville. I would rather see a museum/heritage space in the new library or somewhere in M'ville. There is no where to stage historical exhibitions.....and I have a tonne of ideas of what they could be about!! More and more libraries and museums are coming together in a process being called Convergence....see Albury's new library/museum complex. I'd love to see the kids activities be kept up and developed. We may be an ageing population, but M'ville is booming with families. Oh and some clean toilets would be really really lovely. Despite it all, looking forward to seeing the end result." 2011-08-25 11:40:19 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries comengage said "An underground car park is being planned, with access directly into the library and/or forecourt. Due to increasing demand for more sustainable forms of transport - bike racks will also be a feature. Cheers" 2011-08-25 08:20:59 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries comengage said "Council is actually planning an increase in the number of books available, based on current demand and future projected demand. At the same time there will be a greater emphasis on e-books to allow a greater diversity of titles for people to download. More for everyone." 2011-08-25 08:19:22 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries Literate Perhaps said "Car parking. Could we have an underground car park. Using public transport for the library is problematic as books are heavy to carry to and from library. Bikes are ok or those physically capable of riding a bike and or those willing to risk life and limb. I need to drive if I am to use the library as I wish. So a decent car park ould be marvelous, with a lift up to the library" 2011-08-24 21:38:35 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings Literate Perhaps said "Let's be proud of our own era. Why copy from previous times? Celebrate modern architecture. I would love to see an ultra modern building - something totally unique." 2011-08-24 21:34:06 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries Literate Perhaps said "Even in this computer age please let us have books. I have heard the library wants to drastically reduce books available to public in favour of computer generated reduces. Please don't make this mistake." 2011-08-24 21:28:11 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/article/guest-book5 Literate Perhaps said "The lack of public toilets in our shopping strips" 2011-08-24 21:22:43 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/how-should-we-honour-the-local-aboriginal-people-and-migrants-that-have-made-marrickville-what-it-is-today library said "I think it's exciting that you are even asking this quetion! Aboriginal designs/artworks Photographic history or audio visual dispalys that can bed used to commemorate or celebrate significant cultural events, eg: displays/installations during NAIDOC week, for Greek Independence Day, Chinese New Year - each one celebrating the contribution of those communities to Marrickville Whatever is done should attempt to celebrate the cultural richness of the area" 2011-08-24 20:37:48 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings library said "Heritage bit nice but not at the expense of access and creating a useable, functional facility" 2011-08-24 20:31:23 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries library said "Internet facilities Physically accessible facilities Art exhibitions Relevant community activities & talks to attract lots of the community to gather (eg: the multilingual talks currently organised at Marrickville Library are brilliant!) Environmentally sensitive design A beautiful, welcoming outdoor pavilion with fabulous cafe facing a beautiful green space, hopefully with a water feature, shaded outdoor areas A community space that welcomes ALL members of te community, young & old, that is safe, well designed (good lighting, clean etc) Ample space & potential to allow expansion & changing needs & developing technologies into the future" 2011-08-24 20:30:15 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library library said "Spacious design - lots of quiet spaces to sit and read Easy access to all elements of the library collection (books, DVDs periodicals etc) Flexible large & small meeting / group rooms, including large auditorium available for community meetings, workshops etc Activities & services which attract & engage all ages (children, adolescents, adults & the elderly) and indiiduals and groups within the commnity (Aboriginal community members, CALD community, young & old) " 2011-08-24 20:22:15 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings Philip Sydenham said "The site has a distinct historic flavour, and sits in a heritage precinct, So the new library should reflect the heritage values, without either slavishly copying them, or making a jarring contrast. Of significance it the Church opposite, and the remaining hospital buildings. Respect also should be given to the mature trees on site. There should be a significant retention of openspace/greenspace. Architectural recognition of our sister cities would be a nice idea. Recycle materials from the buildings to be demolished." 2011-08-24 18:38:12 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Philip Sydenham said "More, much more, of what's already established. Flexibility and space to allow for future needs and developments in technology. More stack space for books not currently in high demand, to avoid the current neccessity to discard rapidly. Historical/Local collection to be housed more appropriately. Reference collection given a dedicated space. Community meeting rooms. Space for quiet reading/study. Meditation space. More car parking, bike bays. Close access to child minding, gym, coffee lounge, bookshop, newsagent. Library of tools and equipment (lawn mowers, electric drills, floor polishers, etc.) Much larger collection of AV and IT materials. Comprehensive collection of car manuals. Interstate and international daily newspapers - maybe on line, but easily accessed by the technologically ignorant. Staff in a trendy, recognisable uniform. Lockers for your belongings if you want to spend time without lugging your shopping around. Increased accessibility for the disabled - wider aisles, wheelchair friendly desks, no books shelved below knee-height. Decent lighting. Buildings that are filled with light. Accessible, wheelchair-friendly toilets/washrooms. Baby changing and nursing room. More readers' advisors on duty at desk and roaming. Storytelling for and by older adults. More attention to gaps in the collection. Stock editing should be pro-active, not re-active. Adult literacy collection. Maintenance, development and extension of the branch library network. Why is there no library in Petersham? Reduction in fees for inter-library loans. Larger, more diverse collections of materials in languages other than English. Retention/purchase of classic materials, especially classic fiction." 2011-08-24 18:29:22 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries Trish said "Good access, shelves that are not too high and not too low. Think of senior citizens, they are probably big users of the library and if they find it hard to access the shelves it will become very frustrating for them. Quiet areas!! The library is still an area where people want quiet when reading or studying, please make sure the childrens' library is located away from the reading or study areas. Visit Waverley Library between 4-6pm and you will understand what i'm talking about!! Free WIFI and smart seats with power sockets with only enough desk space for only laptops, iphones or ipads. Courses on how to use new technology such as, audio books, ebooks. Courses on using the internet (particularly for senior citizens) Library card becomes also a smart card for printing/photocopying, etc. " 2011-08-24 17:23:52 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings Trish said "I'm assuming the building is going to be a modern structure, therefore keep with the modern theme. I would like to see a smart and contemporary building, with nice green areas to sit and enjoy. I would also like to see some sort of cafe outside the library. " 2011-08-24 16:42:44 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Trish said "I think it's great to have activities for children and spaces for talks but I think it's still very important that the library is able to provide quiet areas where students of all ages and other patrons are able to study/research in a quiet area. I hope this is reflected in the library plans." 2011-08-24 16:12:13 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings Bookworm said "What about a small community garden area outside the library? Maybe a 'green' area as well where on sunny days, story time could be held outside. Special activities could be organised for the green area like gardening demonstrations (for little ones too, not just adults!), worm farm workshops etc. Maybe painting classes could be held outside? Near a lovely new library cafe (with french doors that open onto it?) as well!" 2011-08-24 10:54:18 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries Marrick said "A connected library......hi-tech with access to video conferencing capabilities! Flexibility for future innovation!" 2011-08-24 08:37:18 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings Marrick said "Outdoor reading/meeting/presentation/performance spaces within sensory gardens would be brilliant. Seasonal scents from plants, visual aspects such as sculpures, installations and differing plant structures as well as sounds created from plants, water and installations. Voila! Modern design for sure...why attempt to replicate the past?" 2011-08-24 08:32:54 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Mr DM said "Free fast Wifi. (802.11n/5GHz & 802.11g/2.4GHz)" 2011-08-23 21:39:05 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Mr DM said "I'd really like a study / research space that's designed for quiet concentration and more isolated from the general open space. Most people have computers at home, but the library is a place I go to hide and get away from distractions (e.g. when preparing for an exam or cramming a tough assignment). I don't think most people would want an entire silent library - but I think having a least one silent space is essential for a good library." 2011-08-23 21:26:09 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Max said "With iPads and kindles etc, the future of the book is changing. The ability to access library subscriptions and download articles or books should be looked into. Less room planned for multiple shelves stacked with books. More room for reading or studying or working with electronic devices. The library may become a place for study or for work away from the office. Access to computer terminals, specialist software like video editing suites and Adobe Creative suites. Carbon neutral. Good relationship with the site and the heritage buildings. Inviting for the public to wander in. Small community meeting rooms, perhaps with teleconferencing technology. " 2011-08-23 17:45:09 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library comengage said "You may be interested in Living Libraries: http://current.com/groups/on-current-tv/76292762_living-library.htm It's a novel way of exchanging information that has been used in Swedish libraries." 2011-08-23 17:08:18 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library rlwalters said "Thanks for your response and good to hear that some aspects are being considered. I'd also suggest that adaptability in buildings is more than adaptable spaces (although this is vital). It needs to look at adaptable structures, fittings and materials. For example, removable and reusable floors, walls and shelves so that we move away from the idea of demolish and rebuild and move towards disassemble and rearrange, which is easier, cheaper and has far less environmental and social impact." 2011-08-23 16:59:48 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/how-should-we-honour-the-local-aboriginal-people-and-migrants-that-have-made-marrickville-what-it-is-today Mr MS said "Don't build up select groups. Be inclusive. I like the idea of local artists displaying their work on say a 3 month rotational basis. Allow scented plants near the entrance for the low sighted." 2011-08-23 16:58:05 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries comengage said "Great ideas. We are v. happy to get feedback from PWD and are working with Council's Access Committee so that accessibility of all aspects of the new building will be looked at from their perspective. V important to also consider what's in the library...chairs etc. - Thanks" 2011-08-23 16:50:48 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-about-outside-modern-design-or-respect-for-the-heritage-buildings Mr MS said "Respect heritage but not at the expense of access. I.e. smooth surface for wheelchairs. What about outside reading areas, under cover with quality coffee available. " 2011-08-23 16:48:36 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library comengage said "Hi The librarians had also pegged that there needed to be better designs for allowing parents to participate - whilst having kids actively involved - thanks for that. Also agree that it's important to communicate the sustainability features of the new building. Just to let you know - Council has agreed to build a 6 Green Star rated, environmentally friendly building - which is fantastic...and we need to let the community know. Many thanks" 2011-08-23 16:44:05 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/whats-the-best-thing-about-libraries Mr MS said "Allow seats for people with disabilities (PWD) throughout the library. Instead of trendy new chairs, ask people with access requirements to chose them eg arms to help us to get up. Every so often rotate bottom shelves so PWD can get to these ones." 2011-08-23 16:41:24 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library comengage said "Thanks for your ideas. The draft accommodation schedule is definitely looking at adaptable / flexible uses of space (have a look at it in the library section of the page). But I think it's are really interesting idea to more actively look at future scenarios in the consultation process. I'll keep that in mind when designing the up coming consultations. Thanks" 2011-08-23 16:36:02 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library Mr MS said "Have more large print books for the ageing baby boomers. Have the new technologies buy allow time to explain them or have classes older people can attend to find out about them." 2011-08-23 16:31:08 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library ElaenaG said "I'd like to see space dedicated to knowledge exchange...in whatever form that might be. To me that means flexible spaces that can be used by various groups/communities to share information and knowledge. " 2011-08-23 14:40:02 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library tracka said "I'd really like to see a variety of spaces. Room for activities like story telling and baby rhyme time to occur whilst still allowing other library uses to access the space. Offer talks and activities for all ages groups. In particular it would be great if there was a space where mums could watch their kids play whilst mums had the opportunity to engage in a class or talk. I have always found the library a retreat space to go relax, pick up a book and let my daughter browse the shelves. To the point that she has had a temper tantrum on days when we need to walk past. What a great thing that she sees it as a place she wants to be! It should be creative and inspiring but provide mostly areas of quiet to read and study and think. It should have natural light and be spacious and for this reason I think it should be modern reflecting on our current times. People should know when they walk past that it is a library and not just an old government building. Please don't use that revolting baby blue colour that is prominent in all police stations, hospitals and retirement villages. Aim for the highest green building design possible with visible information about how the building functions- this is something I really wish had happened with Enmore pool. We are very excited about a new library. " 2011-08-23 14:34:58 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library rlwalters said "This library will be around for a long time. In that time the whole concept of books and libraries in our society is likely to change dramatically. Anything built now should carefully consider what likely future scenarios might bring. A well designed facility will serve the community well and help us all to make the most of the changes in society. A poorly designed facility will just maintain the status quo and will end up being a place where old books are stored - a neglected curiosity. To cater for this unknown and uncertain future, two things should be done: 1. With the community and information experts, map out a range of possible future scenarios and use these as a basis for the design specification. 2. Whatever is designed should incorporate a high degree of adaptability so that the facility can be easily modifed in future as the needs of society and our community change. Some thought provokers: In the future, will we need text based books much at all? Access to e-books and readers may be far more important and the 'library' could facilitate this (both at the library and on-line). Graphic based books may still serve an important role, for children to intoduce them to books and where images cannot be conveyed effectively over the internet. Meeting, and sharing information and ideas will become a far more important function of libraries than just having information to read. For this, equipment will be needed that help people to share information in new and creative ways e.g. projectors and large screen displays, 3D and virtual displays. Access to a wider range of information will also become important. Think way beyond the bounds of the current council library system. Maybe the term 'library' will disappear?" 2011-08-23 13:49:42 +1000 http://yoursaymarrickville.com.au/topic/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-our-new-library comengage said "Lots of books" 2011-08-18 21:47:25 +1000